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Man of Steal
01-08-2007, 08:20 PM
1st post, and a good opportunity to talk about my favorite football player of my lifetime-Lorenzo Neal. Neal was just elected as the fullback for the AFC Pro Bowl team today as he led the way for LaDainian Tomlinson in his MVP campaign.

Neal has had a very interesting career and represents the ultimate example of the player who does not get credit for what he does. I hate to use cliches but Neal's performance is an example of the intracacies of football, which, unlike baseball, cannot be statistically quantified in any way. Neal is regarded as one of the most punishing blockers in the NFL today. As an opposing linebacker I would certainly be aware of the amazing back that is LaDainian Tomlinson in the Chargers backfield but I may be more wary of Lorenzo Neal and his 5 foot 11, 255 pound body trying to level you to the ground. Neal has had a 14 year career to this point, and most of it has been exclusively on his ability to level opposing tacklers and not to allow them to tackle his running back. He has made seven straight Pro Bowls as of now so obvioulsy his contribution has not gone unnoticed to everyone but I think his career is an interesting one and its story deserves to be put down.

Neal was born in California near Fresno in 1970 and grew up there. He went to Lenmore High School and was a very successful football player but football actually wasn't his best sport. He also was a state champion heavyweight wrestler. His success in wrestling continued when he went to college at Fresno State and was an All-American wrestler there.

Neal also played football at Fresno State, of course. Despite his great NFL success in the blocking role Neal was not always supposed to be a blocker. In college he was a great running back at Fresno State, setting the school record with 2405 rushing yards over his career there. He also graduated with a degree in Criminal Justice. Because of his great success as a runner Neal was projected to be a successful runner in the NFL as well. He was drafted by the New Orleans Saints in the 4th round in the 1993 NFL draft as a running back. Two games into his career he looked like a great pick as in his first game he had gained 89 yards on 13 carries and in the second game he broke off a 74 yard touchdown run with his first carry.

Neal may have become a great running back, but later in the game Neal suffered an injury that would dramatically change the course of his career. He broke his ankle in the third quarter of that 2nd game of his career while taking his thrid carry of the game. He was out for the rest of the year. His final stats for that year were impressive for limited time, 175 yards in 21 carries and an extremely impressive 8.3 yards per carry.

But the injury had made Neal a forgotten man for the Saints and also taken away much of his speed. He had a big frame though and was made a fullback the next year. The Saints drafted running back Mario Bates next year to take the place as the Saints feature back for the 1994 season. Neal did not originally take kindly to the move. He had gotten the ball ever since he had started playing football. Unfortunately, he took out his anger against Bates. When they were at a bar Neal insisted that Bates should provide him with money to buy a drink as a rookie. Bates refused and Neal proceeded to punch him in the face, breaking his jaw and sidelining him for four weeks. Big mistake.

Perhaps this incident made Neal all the more determined to get over his stuggles and unhappiness and just do the job he was presented with. He played in all 16 games for the Saints in '94 as a blocking fullback. This would be his permanent position for the rest of his career. With the Saints he continued to develop and learn this position. He had been humbled somewhat by his incident with Bates, and, most importantly, was never complained about again in the future as a clubhouse distraction. In fact as he got older he became a team leader and a great interview who gets along well with interviewers and reporters alike. In 2005 he was named to NFL.com's All Interview Team for the best interviews in football. It would have been hard to imagine Neal maturing that much after the incident he had earlier.

As he moved on in his career Neal became progressively better. In 1997 with the Jets he helped running back Adrian Murrell to a 1000 yard season. This would be the first of Neal's current streak of 9 straight years blocking for a 1000 yard runner. His success has come with so many different backs (Murrell, Warrick Dunn, Eddie George, Corey Dillon, and Tomlinson) that it is hard to claim Neal's consistency in devlivering these runners is mere coincidence.

Neal has another record/attribute of great significance outside of his unquestioned blocking excellence, and that is his durability. Ever since that injury in the 1993 season Neal has played every single game every single year, 192 straight games. Neal rates along with Brett Favre as perhaps the most consistently durable player in the NFL today. Neal also packs a bit more punch in his play these days than Favre does as he probably is the best fullback in the NFL.

Much of Neal's unbelieveable strength and conditioning comes from his tough offseason training. Remember how successful he was as a high school and college wrestler? Well, this plays a key role in his success as a professional football player even today. He works out in the offseason with wrestlers and boxers and his brother, Eddie, is a professional heavyweight boxer.

Today Neal receives acccolades as the best fullback in the league as as the key lead blocker for stud back LaDainian Tomlinson. He also is now a very dignified presence for the Chargers. He helps to administrate a foundation with the Chargers which stresses getting a college education to young athletes in Fresno.

After his career Neal wants to join sports broadcasting somewhere. He has already made token appearances on NFL Network as a host on NFL Total Access. Neal is a great player, a great fullback, and has been key to the success of this year's MVP. Hopefully his legacy will not be soon forgotten. Of course, Neal still remains one of the best in the NFL despite his old age (currently 36 years old) and who knows how long he can continue to bust seams for LT and the Chargers. You never know, perhaps the HOF is even in his future. There should be room for a guy who has been one of the best blocking fullbacks and most durable players in the leauge for over 10 years.

Much of the info for this was found in these sources.

http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/lorenzo-neal.htm

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6274578

Romosexual
01-12-2007, 03:28 AM
Chris,

It's good to see Neal getting props, they are very deserved. Despite his age he doesn't seem to be slowing down, I can see him playing til he's 40. Anyone that can make Adrian Murrell a 1000 yrd rusher is a pro bowler in my book. :)

Welcome to PSF.

Argonaut Fan
01-12-2007, 10:47 AM
I had never heard of Neal before, but I will definitley watch for him in the Charger's game this weekend.

His story really sounds like a great example of someone making the best out of a situation that wasn't the greatest for him.

Also, welcome to Fever II :D.

CCN
01-12-2007, 02:02 PM
I had never heard of Neal before, but I will definitley watch for him in the Charger's game this weekend.

His story really sounds like a great example of someone making the best out of a situation that wasn't the greatest for him.

Also, welcome to Fever II :D.
Really? Not heard of him until now? He's been a perennial pro-bowler for a few years now. His all-too-short tenure in Cincinnati is well-remembered. But there's nothing sexy about a great blocking fullback.

Nice first thread topic, Chris. I echo the above sentiments about welcoming you here.

D.C.
01-12-2007, 04:33 PM
Really? Not heard of him until now? He's been a perennial pro-bowler for a few years now. His all-too-short tenure in Cincinnati is well-remembered. But there's nothing sexy about a great blocking fullback.


"Low Daddy" has one of the cooler nicknames in football.

Argonaut Fan
01-13-2007, 10:08 AM
Really? Not heard of him until now? He's been a perennial pro-bowler for a few years now.I never really played all that much attention to the NFL. I'd watch the Bills whenever they were on, and the Superbowl. But I wouldn't follow it all season. I was more of a CFL follower. But I started watching this season, and I like it. It's the intracacies of the game (like the play of Neal) that draw me to it. I find that it's quite similar to baseball, in a sense.

CCN
01-16-2007, 06:10 AM
I never really played all that much attention to the NFL. I'd watch the Bills whenever they were on, and the Superbowl. But I wouldn't follow it all season. I was more of a CFL follower. But I started watching this season, and I like it. It's the intracacies of the game (like the play of Neal) that draw me to it. I find that it's quite similar to baseball, in a sense.
It's too bad you won't be able to watch Neal more this season, but you do have a good guy to watch for when you can see him.
As a lifelong NFL fan, we're glad to have you here.

Argonaut Fan
01-16-2007, 12:48 PM
I joined this forum when it was first created, but never really posted. Then I read an article in ESPN (really, it does have some good content!:rolleyes) called "The craziest 6 seconds in sports" or something like that. It described one play in fine detail, explaining all of the subtle things that go on from the time the players break the huddle to the time the play is over.

It was a play in a game involving Indiannapolis. They were on offense, and it described how Manning changed the play with an audible, and the defence of the other team (not sure who it was) didn't adjust properly. It demonstrated how somebody was left open because a defensive player thought he was suppposed to blitz but he was actually supposed to drop back into coverage.

The article also has quotes from players after the fact, about what went wrong. It showed me that football is such an intricate game, just like baseball. I like to watch for the subtleties when I watch the game.

I hope to follow the NFL and eventually be able to discuss the NFL intelligently with the rest of you guys.

-Geoff

ChrisLDuncan
01-16-2007, 11:54 PM
Anyone think he can make the Hall?

CCN
01-18-2007, 06:25 AM
Anyone think he can make the Hall?
No. Neal has been a key component throughout his career toward team success, but to make the HOF you need to be a difference maker, the one who actualy makes the play work or not work, depending on which side of the ball you're on. Trench guys fall short.

brady_branch
01-18-2007, 11:24 AM
If I were to put one current FB in the Hall, it would be Neal. Granted, I am largely clueless when it comes to football history and HoF talk, but I'd still go with Neal.

CCN
01-18-2007, 12:32 PM
If I were to put one current FB in the Hall, it would be Neal. Granted, I am largely clueless when it comes to football history and HoF talk, but I'd still go with Neal.
There are only two FBs even worth talking about at present, and that's neal and Mike Alstott, for different reasons. They always punch their ticket to Honolulu.

brady_branch
01-18-2007, 12:43 PM
Mack Strong is another very good one.

CCN
01-18-2007, 01:27 PM
Mack Strong is another very good one.
The Seahawks have always had good fullbacks. I remember John L. Williams.

Man of Steal
01-20-2007, 08:25 PM
No. Neal has been a key component throughout his career toward team success, but to make the HOF you need to be a difference maker, the one who actualy makes the play work or not work, depending on which side of the ball you're on. Trench guys fall short.

Would any offensive linemen meet your criteria then? I am not nearly as well versed in football history or its HOF as I am in baseball, but I would think that a big part of it should be to represent all positions and all different ways a team can be successful. Neal's career as one of the best lead blockers in the game for almost 10 years is certainly very noteworthy, and I would think he would rate as the best blocking fullback in history (though, again, I am somewhat ignorant in football history and there could be someone who I am totally unaware of). But I have watched Neal for the past five or so years and I think he's about as good a blocking fullback as there probably ever will be.

C. Snake
01-21-2007, 10:12 AM
Chris,

It's good to see Neal getting props, they are very deserved. Despite his age he doesn't seem to be slowing down, I can see him playing til he's 40. Anyone that can make Adrian Murrell a 1000 yrd rusher is a pro bowler in my book. :)

Welcome to PSF.

I agree Evan.

CCN
01-21-2007, 11:17 AM
Would any offensive linemen meet your criteria then? I am not nearly as well versed in football history or its HOF as I am in baseball, but I would think that a big part of it should be to represent all positions and all different ways a team can be successful. Neal's career as one of the best lead blockers in the game for almost 10 years is certainly very noteworthy, and I would think he would rate as the best blocking fullback in history (though, again, I am somewhat ignorant in football history and there could be someone who I am totally unaware of). But I have watched Neal for the past five or so years and I think he's about as good a blocking fullback as there probably ever will be.
That's a fair question. Neal ranks right up there among the blocking fullbacks I've seen. The criteria is a little different, though, than a regular offensive lineman. The fullback position itself is a specialist position, in a way. It's changed a bit from the days Jim Brown was taking handoffs from Milt Plum or whomever. A lot of teams use the Tight End for such blocking purposes. I'll admit, Neal is really hard to gauge. He's great at what he does. I need to do a little more reseacrh on him, what kind of receiver he is, and how productive his backfield mates have been.

Man of Steal
01-22-2007, 01:27 PM
Okay I decided to do a little research on Neal to better look into his HOF worthiness. This is not foolproof, there are obviously flaws and it is imprecise. But I think we can get at least a decent idea as to how his influence as a blocker has helped backs over his career through this. What I basically did is I took each year Neal was a fullback, 1994-2006, and I looked at the primary back for that team. I took his numbers his years with Neal, and his numbers without Neal, and compared the yards per carry. I looked at the amount of yards he would have gained without Neal based on his other career numbers and compared them to the yards he actually gained with Neal.

Primary back #1: Mario Bates. (1994-1996)
Numbers with Neal:
Car......Yds.....YPC
559.....2114.....3.8
Rest of career YPC=3.31.

So then based on the same amount of carries and the non-Neal YPC he would have gotten 1851 yards. So he did 263 yards better with Neal.

Prmary back #2: Adrian Murrell (1997)
Numbers with Neal:
Car......Yds....YPC
300.....1086....3.6
Rest of career YPC=3.83.

Yards in 300 carries based on rest of career: 1148. So for this Neal is -62 and now +201 cumulative.

Primary back #3: Warrick Dunn (1998)
Numbers with Neal:
Car......Yds.....YPC
245......1026....4.2
Rest of Career YPC: 4.19

Yards in 245 carries based on rest of career: 1028. Neal is +2 for +203 cumulative.

Primary back #4: Eddie George (1999-2000)
Numbers with Neal:
Car......Yds......YPC
723.....2813......3.9
Rest of Career YPC: 3.56

Yards in 723 carries based on rest of career: 2574. Neal is +239 here for +442 cumulative.

Primary back #5: Corey Dillon (2001-2002)
Numbers with Neal:
Car......Yds.....YPC
654.....2750.....4.2
Rest of Career YPC: 4.32

Yards in 654 carries based on rest of career: 2827. Neal is -77 here for +365 cumulative.

Primary back #6: LaDainian Tomlinson (2003-2006)
Numbers with Neal
Car.......Yds......YPC
1339.....6257.....4.7
Rest of Career YPC: 4.11

Yards in 1339 carries based on rest of career: 5497. Neal is +760 here for +1125 cumulative.

That was my original idea to study this issue, I see it is very flawed because backs just hit their own stride at certain times and that can be their increased peformance rather than Neal's influence. Tomlinson's increased performance may be an example of that. I just thought about ways to study Neal's influence and this occured to me as a way. Perhaps this can shed some light, I think in general it does look like Neal was somewhat of a positive influence but again this is a VERY oblique measure.

As a receiver I would say Neal is solid but not elite. Most of the time when he gets the ball as a receiver it is in short yardage situations, when they run him out for a screen because the defense is probably not expecting him to get the ball. Most of his runs are the same. 2006 was actually probably Neal's best year as a runner since the first two games of the 1993 season, when, as mentioned above, he was successful before he got hurt.

CCN
01-22-2007, 02:03 PM
Bear in mind, Chris, Neal wasn't on the field for every one of those runs. But it does capture some of the picture. Teams that use a fullback are well-served to have a player like Neal be that fullback.