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Galloping Ghost
01-13-2009, 02:38 PM
I say yes, Tony Dungy is a hoF coach. His career is somewhat similar to John Madden's career another HoF coach with a short career.
John Madden (10 seasons)
103-32-7 (.763), 9-7 playoff record, 1 Super Bowl Win, 7 division titles
Tony Dungy (13 seasons)
139-69 (.668), 9-10 playoff record, 1 Super Bowl win, 6 division titles.
Madden had slightly better success. However, Dungy took over a hapless Bucs team at the start of his career while Madden took over a championship caliber Raiders team when he started. After three seasons Dungy was just 24-24. Given this was the Buccaneers that's actually impressive. If you only look at Dungy's final 10 seasons he was 115-45 (.719). Over the past six seasons Dungy's Colts had four 12 win seasons, a 13 win season, and a 14 win season. That is impressive. Madden was a GREAT coach and deserved to be inducted into the HoF (It's absurd it took 27 years for Madden to be inducted). Dungy does as well.
Seattle1
01-13-2009, 04:21 PM
If there was a "borderline" option with this poll that's what I would choose. I can't decide right now I guess.
Galloping Ghost
01-13-2009, 04:59 PM
If there was a "borderline" option with this poll that's what I would choose. I can't decide right now I guess.
Really? Do you consider John Madden to have been a borderline candidate?
football junkie
01-13-2009, 05:48 PM
I think Tony Dungy has done enough right now to get a bronze in Canton. Great record as an assistant, great record as a head coach, great coaching tree, first African-American to win a Superbowl as a head coach, he has it all.
I just can't believe it's really done for him. I think in five years we'll see him back with some team, in some capacity.
Seattle1
01-13-2009, 06:34 PM
Really? Do you consider John Madden to have been a borderline candidate?
A .763 winning percentage in the NFL is insane, completely off the charts.
Maybe I would support Dungy for the HOF, I just need some time for it to sink in.
ATLFalcons
01-14-2009, 12:04 AM
He should be in Canton most definitely.
Dungy's still a relatively young man in terms of coaching, so I wouldn't be shocked if he does come back at some point. But he sure will be busy in the meantime with his ministry and everything that's going to go with it.
He's won one super bowl and did a heck of a job building a team that won another right after he left, and he's been a consistent winner. He's a defensive genius and put the parts together for that incredible Colts offense.
It may not be immediate, but he belongs.
Galloping Ghost
01-14-2009, 11:27 AM
Dungy's still a relatively young man in terms of coaching, so I wouldn't be shocked if he does come back at some point. But he sure will be busy in the meantime with his ministry and everything that's going to go with it.
He's won one super bowl and did a heck of a job building a team that won another right after he left, and he's been a consistent winner. He's a defensive genius and put the parts together for that incredible Colts offense.
It may not be immediate, but he belongs.
Do you think Dungy's career is equal to Madden's career? A little better? A little worse?
Do you think Dungy's career is equal to Madden's career? A little better? A little worse?
It's close. 100 wins in ten seasons is impressive regardless of whether it's a 14 or 16-game schedule. I do have the impression that sometimes Dungy's teams have sometimes fallen short in some games they well should have won, while I think Madden did more with what he had. Of course, the critique I made of Dungy can be made of pretty much anyone who has coached at this level with some success. Maybe he could have had a little tighter rein on certain players, I think Peyton Manning took a few years to mature and Dungy could have helped more with that, but that's only so much on the coach and more on the player. He really has no legitimate case against him, and has la tad more longevity on Madden. I don't know if Madden could well deal with this era of free agency, although he certainly had his share of characters.
A nice guy who has won. I wonder if Colin Cowherd lost his appetite when the Colts won the Super Bowl.
efin98
01-14-2009, 11:54 PM
A .763 winning percentage in the NFL is insane, completely off the charts.
Maybe I would support Dungy for the HOF, I just need some time for it to sink in.
It is beyond insane, it is the second highest winning percentage among coaches- ever.
efin98
01-15-2009, 12:10 AM
I'm on the fence about Dungy since they have yet to put in a number of other coaches with stronger resumes who have done more over similar periods of time if not longer...
Regarding Madden: Madden never had a losing year and missed the playoffs twice in ten years, not even Vince Lombardi can claim that about the playoffs.
Dungy built a crappy team into a winner...a Super Bowl winner. He took the perenial cellar dwellers who hadn't had a winning year in 15 years to the playoffs and did it four times in five years with his team being the foundation of the team that won Super Bowl XXXVII.
Galloping Ghost
01-15-2009, 11:39 AM
I'm on the fence about Dungy since they have yet to put in a number of other coaches with stronger resumes who have done more over similar periods of time if not longer...
Which coaches do you wanted to see enshrined in the HoF?
Regarding Madden: Madden never had a losing year and missed the playoffs twice in ten years, not even Vince Lombardi can claim that about the playoffs.
Madden was a great coach for sure. He was fortunate to inherit a Super Bowl caliber team when he got became the Raider's coaching job.
Dungy built a crappy team into a winner...a Super Bowl winner. He took the perenial cellar dwellers who hadn't had a winning year in 15 years to the playoffs and did it four times in five years with his team being the foundation of the team that won Super Bowl XXXVII.
That was Dungy's most brilliant work, coming in and completely changing the Buccaneer's team mindset and culture.
efin98
01-15-2009, 09:16 PM
Which coaches do you wanted to see enshrined in the HoF?
Dan Reeves should be in there but probably won't. Don Coryell should have been in there years ago. Marty Schottenheimer should be in there but they won't let his postseason problems go. I'd even add Chuck Knox in there since he built up two winners in consecutive decades.
That was Dungy's most brilliant work, coming in and completely changing the Buccaneer's team mindset and culture
He inheritted a good team in the Colts, but he built a great team in the Bucs.
The Colts were 10-6 two years before he took over, 13-3 three years before so they not only had playoff experience, they had been one of the best teams in the league.
Dan Reeves should be in there but probably won't. Don Coryell should have been in there years ago. Marty Schottenheimer should be in there but they won't let his postseason problems go. I'd even add Chuck Knox in there since he built up two winners in consecutive decades.
He inheritted a good team in the Colts, but he built a great team in the Bucs.
The Colts were 10-6 two years before he took over, 13-3 three years before so they not only had playoff experience, they had been one of the best teams in the league.
Playoffs? Are you kidding me? Playoffs?
The Colts had taken a big step back under Mora. They were a mess right before Dungy took over. He shouldn't get too much credit, they were a good team previously, but he technically did help right the ship and build up the other side of the ball that had been an issue.
All four coaches you mentioned are very deserving. Knox would be my favorite of those four. I think Dungy fits in well with that group.
I don't think he's HOF-caliber, but Jim Mora Sr. was a heckuva coach in his own right.
efin98
01-16-2009, 01:45 PM
Playoffs? Are you kidding me? Playoffs?
Jim Mora...was going to put him on the list but thought best not to...his work was mostly done in New Orleans, he probably saved the franchise from moving in the mid '80 yet he won't get much consideration...
The Colts had taken a big step back under Mora. They were a mess right before Dungy took over. He shouldn't get too much credit, they were a good team previously, but he technically did help right the ship and build up the other side of the ball that had been an issue.
Manning and James aren't worth the credit? He brought them in- Manning after they essentially had no QB the previous year and James after Faulk bolted for St. Louis.
The turmoil was between him and the front office. He was loyal to his assistants and when they wanted him to fire several of them especially the defensive coaches he refused and weas canned...Dungy went with what the front office wanted, even though the team stayed mostly the same.
All four coaches you mentioned are very deserving. Knox would be my favorite of those four. I think Dungy fits in well with that group.
I think he needs some time before he gets in...he was a heck of a coach but as long as those others stay out he should stay out as well.
JerrySmith16
04-17-2010, 01:08 PM
That was Dungy's most brilliant work, coming in and completely changing the Buccaneer's team mindset and culture.
Agree. Buccanerrs wouldn't have won a Super Bowl without Dungy had Dungy not build and coach the team.