McNabb puking

[ChrisLDuncan]

I saw McNabb ralph on Sunday right when he was about to take the snap, and afterwards Fox had to show is highlights so he doesn't look like a total Nancy-boy...but this led me to something: MCNABB IS OVERRATED BY THE MEDIA. The media loves McNabb, not because of what Rush said, but I don't know why. When McNabb choked in the Super Bowl and TO had 10+ catches and a 100+ yds with a broken foot, no one said anything, but when TO got pissed (I would have too) everyone jumped all over him...they left McNabb alone but crucified TO. I don't think this is cool at all, yeah TO's an *ox*hole but so is McNabb, McNabb never ONCE gave TO credit for the best season of his career. When Wilbon, asked McNabb does loosing TO hurt, he said NO!!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? I mean you don't loose argubally the best player in football and still go on doing your thing. I dunno it's just my opinion that the media overrates McNabb, and I think he's totally overrated because once the name of the game has the word "Championship" at the end of he tenses up, but in the regular season he's fine.

[racosun]

I agree, he's overrated, but who isn't nowadays? Marketing and league executives will have you believe that every one of thier players is the best in the world. Overrated, yes. But he certainly doesn't play badly, that's for sure. Him losing TO and saying it doesn't hurt is probably half cop-out/half true. Taking TO off your team will ease up the atmosphere, so in a way, it helps. That's evened out by not having a big, fast receiver to go to when you really need some yards in a hurry.

BTW - I edited your post for profanity. Please keep it clean, thanks.

[ChrisLDuncan]

I agree, he's overrated, but who isn't nowadays? Marketing and league executives will have you believe that every one of thier players is the best in the world. Overrated, yes. But he certainly doesn't play badly, that's for sure. Him losing TO and saying it doesn't hurt is probably half cop-out/half true. Taking TO off your team will ease up the atmosphere, so in a way, it helps. That's evened out by not having a big, fast receiver to go to when you really need some yards in a hurry.

BTW - I edited your post for profanity. Please keep it clean, thanks.

I was saying that he said that in 2004 when the Eagles were the hot team, when Roy Williams broke TO's foot.

[efin98]

McNabb carries the Eagles offense but is not as good as he is made out to be. He never has been.

The same goes for Peyton Manning(flops in the post season), Michael Vick(good runner but mediocre arm), Tom Brady(never his fault for his errors), or Bret Favre(only one man, not an entire team).

Seriously if the media didn't hype those guys up into the next level we wouldn't regard them as being as good as they are, would would instead be talking about how much they affect their teams. They can't do things by themselves, they make mistakes, and until they win the big games they are still an incomplete QB with just alot of stats to their names...

[football junkie]

I saw McNabb ralph on Sunday right when he was about to take the snap, and afterwards Fox had to show is highlights so he doesn't look like a total Nancy-boy.

Tell me Chris, have you ever even stood on a 120 degree fahrenheit stadium field? How about in full pads and uniform? I bet that alone would turn you into a "nancy-boy". Maybe we could have a 320 pound linebacker pound you into the ground ten or fifteen times. Think you'd be all tough then?

Just my opinion, but I don't think this forum needs posters like you. Go to ESPN and waste people's time there.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Tell me Chris, have you ever even stood on a 120 degree fahrenheit stadium field? How about in full pads and uniform? I bet that alone would turn you into a "nancy-boy". Maybe we could have a 320 pound linebacker pound you into the ground ten or fifteen times. Think you'd be all tough then?

Just my opinion, but I don't think this forum needs posters like you. Go to ESPN and waste people's time there.

Well for one no line backer weighs 320 pounds. Plus McNabb never gets hit more than tweleve times a game, he puked in like the first half. Granted the conditions were harsh, but no one else puked. Brian Westbrook was able to make it just fine. I'm just saying people are making McNabb into the face of the league, and I don't think he is. I don't say that he's a top five QB, I think TO was right on about McNabb. So maybe you should re-think your statements, before you try and challenge my knowledge.

[Snake]

Ya, McNabb is over rated. All he has done is lead his high school football team to the state championship, became a 4 yr starter at Syracuse (where he lead the Orange into national prominence, including their first and only BCS bowl game, and lead Philadelphia to the playoffs every year except one.
Yep, he is definately over rated. He probably shoulda won a National Championship at collegiate football powerhouse Syracuse, and won about 5 or 6 Superbowls already. :rolleyes:

Not to mention, every step of his career, from high school on, he was told there was no way he could be a QB at the next level. Of course he had his best season with TO there, that was the only year he actually had a true #1 WR on the team. BTW, would you say you missed someone that didn't give you any respect, and treated you like garbage?

[ChrisLDuncan]

Look I'm not saying that McNabb isn't good just that he shouldn't be the face of the NFL, unless you want your face to be an overrated choke artist, in all fairness to TO McNabb treated TO like trash too. McNabb can't stand not being THE guy on the team...it pissed him off when they're best player was TO. Yankee fans boo A-Rod for doing the same thing that McNabb does, and McNabb hasn't done half as much in the regular season that A-ROd has. I'm just so sick of people giving McNabb oral praise that borders on fellatio (e.g. Mike Wilbon), and treating him like he belongs in Canton. He's just a good fantasy QB that's really it. I'd much rather have someone who can manage an offense and a team.

[Snake]

OK, I read your post over about 5 times, I couldn't quite understand what you are saying.

First you say that you didn't say McNabb wasn't a good player, then in your next breath, he is an over rated choke artist. Well, it appears that you are not sure what he is there.

Then you said in all fairness to TO (yes, please let's be fair to TO), McNabb treated him like garbage too. And you made the statement that McNabb could not stand not being THE man on the team. Unless you are really McNabb, or one of his very close friends (which, at this point, I am doubting), I don't see how you could make that statement with absolute certainty.

You then make a comparison to A-Rod, a 3rd baseman in baseball. I am not sure why you were making the comparison, as their situations and sports are nothing like each other.

Next, it appears as if you have some sort of oral fixation. Not even going into that.

Then you finish up with a statement that McNabb is nothing but a good fantasy QB. You would rather have someone that can manage an offense and a team. Huh? Did that even make sense to you when you wrote it down? I am sorry that you feel that McNabb as the face of the NFL is a terrible thing, but it's not really a reason to try to assassinate his character.

I really don't mind people having varying views on here. After all, if we all agreed, it would be pretty boring on here. However, if you are going to make your point, please either use facts, or clearly state that it is your opinion you are using. We are a group of serious football enthusiasts here. An article about a player throwing up, and then the subsequent denigration of that player for no apparent reason, and without solid factual back up is not the type of forums we have. Please read as many of the forums as you can to get a feel for what kind of topics we have, and the manner in which most of them are laid out. Also, we have quite a number of younger members in these forums, please try to remember that when making your posts.

[ChrisLDuncan]

OK, I read your post over about 5 times, I couldn't quite understand what you are saying.

First you say that you didn't say McNabb wasn't a good player, then in your next breath, he is an over rated choke artist. Well, it appears that you are not sure what he is there.

Then you said in all fairness to TO (yes, please let's be fair to TO), McNabb treated him like garbage too. And you made the statement that McNabb could not stand not being THE man on the team. Unless you are really McNabb, or one of his very close friends (which, at this point, I am doubting), I don't see how you could make that statement with absolute certainty.

You then make a comparison to A-Rod, a 3rd baseman in baseball. I am not sure why you were making the comparison, as their situations and sports are nothing like each other.

Next, it appears as if you have some sort of oral fixation. Not even going into that.

Then you finish up with a statement that McNabb is nothing but a good fantasy QB. You would rather have someone that can manage an offense and a team. Huh? Did that even make sense to you when you wrote it down? I am sorry that you feel that McNabb as the face of the NFL is a terrible thing, but it's not really a reason to try to assassinate his character.

I really don't mind people having varying views on here. After all, if we all agreed, it would be pretty boring on here. However, if you are going to make your point, please either use facts, or clearly state that it is your opinion you are using. We are a group of serious football enthusiasts here. An article about a player throwing up, and then the subsequent denigration of that player for no apparent reason, and without solid factual back up is not the type of forums we have. Please read as many of the forums as you can to get a feel for what kind of topics we have, and the manner in which most of them are laid out. Also, we have quite a number of younger members in these forums, please try to remember that when making your posts.

I stated that he is not the face of the NFL that spot belongs to Brady

I am saying he is overrated because people want him to be the face of the NFL

Also if you caught TO's interviews he was excited to have McNabb throw him the ball, McNabb never gave TO that respect. Hell on PTI he said he was the same guy and that nothing in his game had changed.

The A-Rod comprison is comparing a guy who doesn't have the post season sucess and is human but gets killed for every mistake that he makes...whereas with McNabb his errors aren't his fault. It's always someone else's. The 'felation' thing is that I'm sick of everyone fawning over McNabb on TV when he's not a top five QB.

Yes I do want a field general over a McNabb (fantasy QB because he runs well and gets rushing TDs and yes I know that those are importnant but less important than the field general aspect) e.g. Brady, Palmer, Mannings, and Delhome are all better at managing a team.

[football junkie]

First of all you need to watch you language which I think you've been told several times already.

Second, who are these people that want McNabb to be the face of the NFL?

Third, you obviously don't know much about the TO situation in Philadelphia, some of us who saw and lived and died with every game remember quiet well how disruptive and disrespectful Owens was to McNabb and the whole team. Do you remember Owens following McNabb up and down the sidelines screaming at him and then bashing him in the press?

Fourth, I can't help but notice that all of the "field general" quarterbacks that you'd rather have on your team than McNabb (namely Brady, Palmer, P. & E. Manning, and Delhomme) are all WHITE. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with your opinion, right?

Finally, I think you need to pay heed to what members like Snake and others are telling you about your posts. Speaking as a moderator, a lot of the things you're posting are not at all appropriate or in line with the standards of Pigskin-Fever.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Do you even watch football? In the "Copyrighted Telecast" commerical where it used to be Emmitt rushing back the NFL shield now it's McNabb I'd say that's bordering on the "Face of the League". TO get's magnified by the media McNabb doesn't, the things that TO said about McNabb in the book TO are all things that I would believe about McNabb...if it's me if I told my QB that I thought that I was open and he told me to "Shut the **** up" I'd be pretty mad too. McNabb never gave TO his due, when he played in the Super Bowl with a broken foot he had 10 catches for like 130, whereas McNabb choked it up. No one talked about TO, than when TO said that he doesn't think that McNabb is up to the job everyone jumped on him...and they just seemed to forget the Super Bowl. Jevon Kerase, another FA that wanted a ring, defended TO (there's a difference between defending a guy and agreeing with him) I think that's BS, and no it isn't a race thing, I'm sorry guys I don't see color. I just think McNabb's a looser, great in the regular season but in games that end in "Championship" he lays an egg. I call that a looser, and plus it isn't like his team doesn't have a defense or anything. Even Dallas would have beaten Philly if it wasn't for Drew Bledsoe underthrowing TO horribly, and throwing two pics in the red zone (one in the end zone on the last play of the game and one he underthrew TO by about a mile). Okay you for the "living and dying" with every game and I noticed that you rememberd "quiet" well the one time where TO killed McNabb on the side line after McNabb just tossed the ball up for grabs. See when A-Rod commits a fielding error the fans boo him, and when McNabb throws a pic nothing happens (that's more of the A-Rod and McNabb comparison). I say you should grill a guy who isn't playing his best. If someone wants to yell at TO for droping a pass I have no problems with that. Also I've had NFL Sunday Ticket since it's inception, and I watch ESPN Sunday Countdown every week...I know my stuff. Also I have few old friends who have played for the Dallas Cowboys.

[brady_branch]

Do you even watch football? In the "Copyrighted Telecast" commerical where it used to be Emmitt rushing back the NFL shield now it's McNabb I'd say that's bordering on the "Face of the League".

Hmmm.... I've never seen that commercial. And I watch football every Sunday. :confused:

No one talked about TO

What? I seem to remember the whole focus before the Super Bowl was "Will T.O. play?"

TO get's magnified by the media McNabb doesn't

:confused:

the things that TO said about McNabb in the book TO are all things that I would believe about McNabb...if it's me if I told my QB that I thought that I was open and he told me to "Shut the **** up" I'd be pretty mad too.

You must be very easily offended, or never played NFL football. That's about one-twentieth as bad as some things that are said. I play QB as well, and I can empathize with McNabb. I hate it when my receivers tell me that they were open. Normally I just tell them "There's a reason I didn't throw you the ball", or something like that. Sure, if they start to get on my nerves, I might yell at them, because it's ANNOYING!

McNabb never gave TO his due, when he played in the Super Bowl with a broken foot he had 10 catches for like 130

I'd call throwing him the ball enough for him to catch it ten times for "like 130" would be "giving him his due", especially if he had a "broken foot". McNabb obviously respected T.O. enough to throw him the ball that many times.

I just think McNabb's a looser, great in the regular season but in games that end in "Championship" he lays an egg. I call that a looser, and plus it isn't like his team doesn't have a defense or anything.

Every team in the NFL has a defense. Oh, and a certain "4th-and-26" seems to stick in my mind. Hmmm... choke? Not exactly.

Fourth, I can't help but notice that all of the "field general" quarterbacks that you'd rather have on your team than McNabb (namely Brady, Palmer, P. & E. Manning, and Delhomme) are all WHITE. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with your opinion, right?

Well, in all fairness, most NFL QBs ARE white. The only non-white ones that I can name off the top of my head are Culpepper, Vick, and McNabb. Oh, and Aaron Brooks. None of those are really "field generals". Great QBs? Mostly. But superb, Brady-esque field generals? Not quite.

Finally, I think you need to pay heed to what members like Snake and others are telling you about your posts. Speaking as a moderator, a lot of the things you're posting are not at all appropriate or in line with the standards of Pigskin-Fever.

I'd just like to third this statement.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Hmmm.... I've never seen that commercial. And I watch football every Sunday. :confused:



What? I seem to remember the whole focus before the Super Bowl was "Will T.O. play?"



:confused:



You must be very easily offended, or never played NFL football. That's about one-twentieth as bad as some things that are said. I play QB as well, and I can empathize with McNabb. I hate it when my receivers tell me that they were open. Normally I just tell them "There's a reason I didn't throw you the ball", or something like that. Sure, if they start to get on my nerves, I might yell at them, because it's ANNOYING!



I'd call throwing him the ball enough for him to catch it ten times for "like 130" would be "giving him his due", especially if he had a "broken foot". McNabb obviously respected T.O. enough to throw him the ball that many times.



Every team in the NFL has a defense. Oh, and a certain "4th-and-26" seems to stick in my mind. Hmmm... choke? Not exactly.



Well, in all fairness, most NFL QBs ARE white. The only non-white ones that I can name off the top of my head are Culpepper, Vick, and McNabb. Oh, and Aaron Brooks. None of those are really "field generals". Great QBs? Mostly. But superb, Brady-esque field generals? Not quite.



I'd just like to third this statement.


Okay they must broadcast a differet NFL copyrighted telecast commerical in my area...who knows. GREAT QBS????? The only one that has an outside shot to get into Canton is Vick. Also I don't care if you are a QB no matter how annoying a collegue gets you NEVER tell them to "Shut the ****" up, also just throwing the guy the ball isn't giving him his due that's doing your job. TO said that he liked McNabb in all of his interviews in 2004, whereas McNabb was pretty much just saying that TO didn't help...now this may fly in a professional environment where you're disrespecting the intern (I've been there before)...but not when you have argubaly the best player in football that you're tossing it up too. Also when I say they have a defense I mean of course a defense that can win a big game...not everyteam has one of those, I appologize for overestimating your intellegence, it won't happen again. 4th and 26 was not a game that ended in Championship, McNabb has been to the NFC Championship four times and gone to the Super Bowl once...believe me wiht any other great player in ANY sport when you have expectations getting to the playoffs isn't enough, ask Alex Rodriguez or Peyton Manning. I'm not saying that McNabb is not a good QB he is, just not a top five and certianlly not deserving of all of the praise he gets. He FREQUENTLY stretches out his receivers leaving them to get crushed, there are plenty of other QBs that don't get their receivers killed and when they do they give them the proper credit that they deserve. Look at the way that Carson Palmer handles Chad Johnson, Palmer has a big arm (Garcia didn't have that but McNabb did) and he always talks about how good Chad is (Garcia kind of did that but McNabb never did)...that's the way that you deal with an elite receiver. QBs are protected in this league like none other, but receivers are left hanging to get crushed over the middle, so when they score give them their due. As to my "inappropate discussion" on this board please provide examples. I know the "@$$h*le" may have been a little over the line otherwise I use nothing but strictly textbook terms. When you talk about the "Will TO play" talk that is that TO is scrutinized, he is a warrior and he plays with passion and fire (like Ty Cobb did in baseball), he gets mad he gets fired up and he loves to play. You don't pressure a guy that has a broken foot or busted ankle to play, but he did anyways and he had the game of his life. The talk should have been will a guy that's lost 3 straight NFC Championships choke against a team with a coaching staff and a defense that's won two allready, oh by the way the answer was yes. See TO's hurt and he has the game of his life, McNabb is healthy and he chokes...this can't happen in the Super Bowl if you want to be a great.

[brady_branch]

GREAT QBS????? The only one that has an outside shot to get into Canton is Vick.

Culpepper is pretty good too. And you have a much larger sample size. 7 out of every 8 NFL Week One QBs are white. Only Brooks, McNabb, Vick, and Culpepper (unless I'm forgetting someone) are black. And I was actually trying to defend you there, so why are you jumping all over me? And yes, they are, with the exception of Brooks, great QBs.

Also I don't care if you are a QB no matter how annoying a collegue gets you NEVER tell them to "Shut the ****" up, also just throwing the guy the ball isn't giving him his due that's doing your job.

Then remind me, what is "giving him his due"? I'd think that throwing him the ball enough for him to have the "game of his life", even though he had a "broken foot" would show enough respect for T.O.'s on-field ability. As for the first part of your question, yes, you do tell them that. You have obviously never played QB or wide receiver before, nor played football on any level above middle school.

Also when I say they have a defense I mean of course a defense that can win a big game...not everyteam has one of those

Last I checked, it's very, very rare for a defense to win ANY game, let alone a BIG game. And since the Eagles didn't win any of those games, then their defense did not "win a big game".

4th and 26 was not a game that ended in Championship, McNabb has been to the NFC Championship four times and gone to the Super Bowl once...believe me wiht any other great player in ANY sport when you have expectations getting to the playoffs isn't enough, ask Alex Rodriguez or Peyton Manning.

Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Therefore he is worse than Brad Johnson, who won one Super Bowl.

Look at the way that Carson Palmer handles Chad Johnson, Palmer has a big arm (Garcia didn't have that but McNabb did) and he always talks about how good Chad is (Garcia kind of did that but McNabb never did)...that's the way that you deal with an elite receiver.

Show me an interview where Chad Johnson has ripped Carson Palmer and then we'll make this a legitimate comparison.

As to my "inappropate discussion" on this board please provide examples. I know the "@$$h*le" may have been a little over the line otherwise I use nothing but strictly textbook terms.

I appologize for overestimating your intellegence, it won't happen again.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

When you talk about the "Will TO play" talk that is that TO is scrutinized, he is a warrior and he plays with passion and fire (like Ty Cobb did in baseball), he gets mad he gets fired up and he loves to play.

OK, so McNabb's not allowed to "get mad"? McNabb obviously plays with passion, the only reason he would tell someone what you claim he told T.O. was if he just missed a throw that he knew he should've made. Tell me, if you're a lawyer, or a politician, and you screw up on a big speech, would you like someone to come up to you and tell you something you already knew? What would you say then? Don't bother answering, because you'll probably lie. Just think about it for a while. ;)


You don't pressure a guy that has a broken foot or busted ankle to play, but he did anyways and he had the game of his life. The talk should have been will a guy that's lost 3 straight NFC Championships choke against a team with a coaching staff and a defense that's won two allready, oh by the way the answer was yes. See TO's hurt and he has the game of his life, McNabb is healthy and he chokes...this can't happen in the Super Bowl if you want to be a great.

McNabb choked just as much as Brady did. And I'm a Pats fan. McNabb threw three TD passes, including one to set up a drive that could have been a game-tying one. But since he threw a pick on that last drive, when he was faced with having the ball at his own 4 and 46 seconds left on the clock, he "choked". If anyone "choked", it was Dirk Johnson, whose punt of only 29 yards from his own 8 allowed the Patriots to drive just 37 yards for a TD.

[D.C.]

Well, in all fairness, most NFL QBs ARE white. The only non-white ones that I can name off the top of my head are Culpepper, Vick, and McNabb. Oh, and Aaron Brooks.

Byron Leftwich and David Garrard in Jacksonville.

[football junkie]

Well than let's name a few more black quarterbacks, in no particular order: Cleo Lemon; Steve McNair; Anthony Wright; Charlie Batch; Quinn Gray; Vince Young; Jason Campbell; Tarvaris Jackson; D.J. Shockley; Seneca Wallace.

Steve McNair is a possible future Hall of Famer.

Vince Young was the third overall pick in this year's draft.

Jason Campbell was a 2005 first-round draft pick and is the heir-apparent in Washington.

Travaris Jackson is due to take over for Brad Johnson in Minnesota in a year or two.

Seneca Wallace will likely gain a starting job after his contract with Seattle is fulfilled.

D.J. Shockley is behind Michael Vick and Matt Schaub in Atlanta but Shockley has a ton of talent and will likely end up like Jackson and Wallace, eventually becoming a starter somewhere.

Charlie Batch, Cleo Lemon, Anthony Wright and Quinn Gray are all adequate back-up quarterbacks and most have started games at some point in their careers: Batch for years as a starter in Detroit and more recently as a stellar back-up in Pittsburgh; Wright in Dallas. And if Joey Harrington keeps playing like garbage in Miami and Culpepper isn't health then Cleo Lemon might be getting his first start soon.

The potential future of black quarterbacks is bright.

[brady_branch]

See, I'm not good at remembering things. Even my hometown team's QB.