View Full Version : Active likely HOF QBs, who are they?
football junkie
08-30-2006, 11:36 PM
Recently on the message board we've had a lot of dialogue about who was the greatest quarterback in NFL history. Much of it contrary, but that's good as that is the point of said dialogue.
What we're interested in now, and I suspect there will be more than a few strongly held opinions on this issue, is this: what QBs active today are likely to gain induction into Canton?
Besides the obvious answers, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, who else from this generation of quarterbacks makes it?
[We're not considering players like Elway or Montana or Marino or Moon or Kelly -- we all know they either will make it or have made it into Canton.]
So perhaps a parameter we should put in place is that the QB needed to start his professional career after the 1990 season. That gives us a 15 year sample of work to work with, plus what's happening in 2006.
So in your opinion, what QBs besides Brady, Farve & P. Manning will one day have a bronze in Canton?
[Note - I'm going to attach a poll to this thread but I'm not going to include Brady, Farve or P. Manning on it as I think we all agree they're Canton bound. Although extremely talented young QBs like Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Byron Leftwich, Jake Delhomme, Marc Bulger & Ben Roethlisberger had to be left off the poll due to space. They still should garner consideration.]
Willie
08-30-2006, 11:52 PM
None from that list will be inducted based on what they have done to this point in their careers.
As far as Palmer and Roethlisberger it's way too early to speculate. They have to put in many years of excellent play.
brady_branch
08-31-2006, 01:12 PM
Marc Bulger? Extremely talented? What?
I said Bledsoe, but I didn't see Warner, who would also get my vote (see, if I were a SUPER mod, I could change that). If Palmer is healthy and continues to perform at this level, he'll also get in.
ATLFalcons
08-31-2006, 04:14 PM
Marc Bulger? Extremely talented? What?
I said Bledsoe, but I didn't see Warner, who would also get my vote (see, if I were a SUPER mod, I could change that). If Palmer is healthy and continues to perform at this level, he'll also get in.
I don't think Warner deserves a HOF nod because he started his NFL career so late. If he had started when he was younger and had been effective as he was in his MVP seasons he would be a lock. I'm torn between McNair and Bledsoe, but I'll go with Bledsoe.
And regard Mod status, Sean told me you can only moderate posts in your respective forum.
I don't see any of those QBs making it. Warner has a shot but his time as a great quarterback had a lot to do with the system and was way too short. Without leading a team to the big win, these guys don't deserve it anymore than the likes of Dave Krieg, Jim Hart, or Roman Gabriel.
efin98
09-01-2006, 01:38 PM
The only one I see on that list worth making it into Canton is Bledsoe. Despite the knocks against him Bledsoe is 5th all time in pass attempts and completions, 7th in passing yards, and tied for 13th in passing TDs. That's Hall of Fame worth nowadays...
I'll add this one- what about Vinny Testaverde? He's 6th all time in passing yards, attempts, and completions and 8th in TDs.
Playing all those years on horrid teams brought down his numbers but overall he's a pretty solid QB.
Giants/Jets Legend
09-01-2006, 03:58 PM
Brett Favre is not a HOF'er??? wow....
Willie
09-01-2006, 04:30 PM
Brett Favre is not a HOF'er??? wow....
football junkie excluded the obvious cases, such as Favre, in post #1.
football junkie
09-02-2006, 12:03 AM
I'll add this one- what about Vinny Testaverde? He's 6th all time in passing yards, attempts, and completions and 8th in TDs.
We excluded quarterbacks who's professional careers started before 1990. Testaverde's pro career started in 1987. I consider him more of the generational cohort of Jim Kelly, David Krieg, Neil Lomax -- one of those '80s guys.
football junkie
09-02-2006, 12:10 AM
Warner has a shot but his time as a great quarterback had a lot to do with the system and was way too short.
I agree completely. Warner was fantastic in the "greatest show on turf." But since suffering the Superbowl lose and starting 2002 with those concussions, he's never been the same.
The same "greatest show on turf" logic can also be applied to Marc Bulger who I am relatively sure would be nothing more than an average quarterback in most systems.
efin98
09-02-2006, 12:27 AM
We excluded quarterbacks who's professional careers started before 1990. Testaverde's pro career started in 1987. I consider him more of the generational cohort of Jim Kelly, David Krieg, Neil Lomax -- one of those '80s guys.
OK he's in another category together then since he's too old for the 90s group and too young for the typical group of 80s group...
football junkie
09-02-2006, 12:40 AM
As has been pointed out by previous posters, Drew Bledsoe has all the statistical qualifications. He has also made it to two Superbowls. His team lost the Superbowl in 1997. Bledsoe, however, has a legit Superbowl Ring from the 2001 season when he was injured in the regular season and backed up Tom Brady for part of the year.
Drew Bledsoe's contribution to that 2001 NFL Champion Patriots should not be marginalized or forgotten! Remember when Brady got injured, it was Bledsoe who got the Patriots into the Superbowl. Bledsoe beat the Steelers in the AFC Championship Game that year, not Brady. It was Bledsoe's touchdown pass to David Patten that gave the Patriots the lead and the win. Without him, they wouldn't have even gotten to the Superbowl, Pittsburgh would have. (Perhaps the whole Patriots' Dynasty never takes place without Bledsoe's play in that game.)
True Patriots' fans shouldn't forget what happened on Heinz Field on January 27, 2002.
I think if Bledsoe can take the Cowboys deep into the playoffs this year, especially if he can lead them to a Superbowl Championship -- his bronze is cast. That's a big if.
But if he doesn't win a Superbowl as a starter then I'm not sure on Bledsoe.
efin98
09-02-2006, 01:00 AM
As has been pointed out by previous posters, Drew Bledsoe has all the statistical qualifications. He has also made it to two Superbowls. His team lost the Superbowl in 1997. Bledsoe, however, has a legit Superbowl Ring from the 2001 season when he was injured in the regular season and backed up Tom Brady for part of the year.
Drew Bledsoe's contribution to that 2001 NFL Champion Patriots should not be marginalized or forgotten! Remember when Brady got injured, it was Bledsoe who got the Patriots into the Superbowl. Bledsoe beat the Steelers in the AFC Championship Game that year, not Brady. It was Bledsoe's touchdown pass to David Patten that gave the Patriots the lead and the win. Without him, they wouldn't have even gotten to the Superbowl, Pittsburgh would have. (Perhaps the whole Patriots' Dynasty never takes place without Bledsoe's play in that game.)
True Patriots' fans shouldn't forget what happened on Heinz Field on January 27, 2002.
I think if Bledsoe can take the Cowboys deep into the playoffs this year, especially if he can lead them to a Superbowl Championship -- his bronze is cast. That's a big if.
But if he doesn't win a Superbowl as a starter then I'm not sure on Bledsoe.
There's a reason fans forget about that game: they focus on what happened at the end of the game the week before and two weeks after...
The same thing happens when remembering the run up to Super Bowl XXXIX- they forget that they played Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game after beating the Colts and before facing the Eagles.
brady_branch
09-02-2006, 08:13 AM
There's a reason fans forget about that game: they focus on what happened at the end of the game the week before and two weeks after...
The same thing happens when remembering the run up to Super Bowl XXXIX- they forget that they played Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game after beating the Colts and before facing the Eagles.
Actually, it's the exact opposite for me. I remember us beating the Steelers both times, and Bledsoe's play in the first game. Beating the Eagles and Rams was an afterthought, like beating the Cardinals in the '04 WS.
efin98
09-02-2006, 11:48 AM
Actually, it's the exact opposite for me. I remember us beating the Steelers both times, and Bledsoe's play in the first game. Beating the Eagles and Rams was an afterthought, like beating the Cardinals in the '04 WS.
It's the same for all but I'd say a large percentage it holds true: they foget the Pittsburgh games and remember the other two.
gridiron
09-05-2006, 05:29 AM
Junkie, I was the poll, voted other and then read your rational for excludsing Farve, Brady and manning. Next time you do a poll with exclusions, PLEASE explain first then have the vote box!
soberdennis
09-10-2006, 09:00 AM
I voted Bledsoe, McNair, and Other.
The other is some guy who is still active the last I heard, named Favre.
There is also a guy in Indiana who may just sneak in.:D :D
football junkie
09-10-2006, 11:27 PM
Junkie, I was the poll, voted other and then read your rational for excludsing Farve, Brady and manning. Next time you do a poll with exclusions, PLEASE explain first then have the vote box!
I'm sorry but isn't that right in the very first post? How can I make it any more clear?
I voted Bledsoe, McNair, and Other.
The other is some guy who is still active the last I heard, named Favre.
There is also a guy in Indiana who may just sneak in.:D :D
See the first post, Dennis. There's a reason why Favre and Manning weren't included.
Good to see you here.
gridiron
12-04-2006, 05:25 AM
I'm sorry but isn't that right in the very first post? How can I make it any more clear?
You can make it clear by explaining the rules first, then giving the post: OR by saying read the post first. Some of us vote then read the posts. Not everyone comes in immediately, how should we know we should read the posts first and then vote? Also, some polls of BB Fever have been modified after votes were taken. How many posts are the voters supposed to read before they scroll back and finally vote?
Steel86town
08-09-2007, 05:59 AM
I know this post is old, but Who the Hell voted for Michael Vick and why? I'm not talking about dog fighting stuff. Vick was the overall #1 pick in the 2001 draft. It took him 6 years to throw for three touchdowns in a game. Carson Palmer, who has had a shorter career than Vick (so far), probably did that a million times by now (exaggerating, but you get the point). What the hell has Michael Vick ever done? The 1,000 yards rushing? Is that it?
redlegsfan21
08-09-2007, 06:47 AM
I know this post is old, but Who the Hell voted for Michael Vick and why? I'm not talking about dog fighting stuff. Vick was the overall #1 pick in the 2001 draft. It took him 6 years to throw for three touchdowns in a game. Carson Palmer, who has had a shorter career than Vick (so far), probably did that a million times by now (exaggerating, but you get the point). What the hell has Michael Vick ever done? The 1,000 yards rushing? Is that it?
The poll should show you who voted for who, just click on the numbers. I think someone would vote for Vick by speculating that Vick could put up some big time rushing numbers with a decent passing game. If he had done that for the rest of his could have been long career, he would of made it to the HOF easily.
brady_branch
08-09-2007, 07:24 AM
I'm not entirely sure his career is over yet. OK, it's not likely that he'll ever play at an elite level again, but we may see him back in an NFL uniform someday.
Seattle1
08-12-2007, 07:29 PM
I voted for Matt Hasselbeck. He's doing well, and his career is probably not even half over. I anticipate he'll get one or two more Super Bowl wins. I also think some voters will rightly give him credit for winning Super Bowl XL.
I voted for Matt Hasselbeck. He's doing well, and his career is probably not even half over. I anticipate he'll get one or two more Super Bowl wins. I also think some voters will rightly give him credit for winning Super Bowl XL.
I sincerely hope not, since Seattle did not win that game. Can't get credit for what didn't happen. If the voters are going to ignore reality, they shouldn't be voting.
brady_branch
08-13-2007, 10:20 AM
I still don't understand how Hasselbeck got called for an illegal block on that tackle.
I still don't understand how Hasselbeck got called for an illegal block on that tackle.
There were a few curious calls that game. Seattle should have won the game, yes. They didn't, and credit should not be given them for the game any more than the Bills getting credit for Super Bowl 25. There's no homer discount when the vast majority are not from Seattle.
Seattle1
08-16-2007, 11:27 AM
credit should not be given them for the game any more than the Bills getting credit for Super Bowl 25.
The big difference there was Scott Norwood missed a field goal fair and square. What the refs did to the Seahawks for the entire game in Super Bowl XL was not fair and square, and it was beyond the control of the Seahawks players and coaches. I.e. it was not a level playing field. I think most people recognize that.
The big difference there was Scott Norwood missed a field goal fair and square. What the refs did to the Seahawks for the entire game in Super Bowl XL was not fair and square, and it was beyond the control of the Seahawks players and coaches. I.e. it was not a level playing field. I think most people recognize that.
You can count me among those who do, the Seahawks got majorly shafted and I've argued with Steelers fans as much. Four or so successful plays do not the better team make. But I'm also of the belief that the Seahawks had plenty of opportunity beyond those couple bad calls, they had the ball for about twice as long. They did not execute when they should have to avoid it coming down to a couple bad calls. Which is just as big.
What kind of numbers did Hasselback put up in the game?
brady_branch
08-19-2007, 07:31 PM
Hasselbeck was 26-49, for 259 yards. He threw for one TD (should've been two, that interference call on Jackson was awful), and was picked off once, and was subsequently called for an illegal block when he dove in front of a Steeler player trying to make a tackle, perhaps the most bogus call of the game, especially when compounded with the fact that it set up Randle El's pass to Ward, the signature moment of the game. If the two biggest blown calls were never made, then you have a 14-14 tie, and it goes to OT, where anything can happen. Of course, the different score would definitely impact the strategy, but if every other play remained the same apart from those two drives, then it becomes a coin toss to see who wins.