Collaborative QB Rankings

[philkid3]

Anyone from Baseball Fever see the collaborative ranking thread (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=70849)?

I wanted to see if we might actually have enough members to try that here. We'll see.

Basically, we put together an ordered list of the greatest QBs of all-time, one at a time. After the person ahead of you goes, add another player to the list by copy and pasting, then putting in the greatest QB you think is not yet on the list.

So, if the post in front of you looks like this:


1. Tony Romo
2. Ryan Leaf
3. LaDanian Tomlinson

Then your post will look like this:


1. Tony Romo
2. Ryan Leaf
3. LaDanian Tomlinson
4. Sean Salisbury


Got it? Easy, yeah? I would say since there is less traffic here, let's say you can post once every 5 on the list. So if you post 4th, wait at least until 9 before you add another player.

Let's see if this works.

[philkid3]

1. John Elway

[CCN]

1. John Elway

Always good to see another BF member here. Welcome.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas.

[Brooklyn]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre

[Romosexual]

Man, I didnt think I could disagree with the top 4 anymore than I do right now. Only Montana belongs IMHO. Then again, i'm sure everyone will disagree with me as well.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady

[philkid3]

Man, I didnt think I could disagree with the top 4 anymore than I do right now. Only Montana belongs IMHO. Then again, i'm sure everyone will disagree with me as well.

Unitas and Elway don't belong in the top 5?!

[brady_branch]

I'm a bit shocked as well, the guy I have #3 hasn't been put up yet. However, the first four guys posted were all in my top five.

[philkid3]

My #2, and #5 haven't been put up yet.

This is even slower than I thought. Maybe it should be once every five posts. It will just be us, but if we're the only ones that post. . .

[brady_branch]

Is there a no name-dropping policy? Because I want to see if your #5 is the same as my #6. I've got Brady #7, btw.

[philkid3]

Nah, drop any names you want. I've got Graham 2nd and Marino 5th.

[philkid3]

Alright, I underestimated how quiet it is here. I'm going to lower the rules to posting once every 5 selections. May just be five people alternating for the most part, but oh well.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham

[brady_branch]

I had 'em reversed. Marino 3, Graham 6.

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino

Names can be switched, but I have no problems with any of the top 7 as the top 7.

[Brooklyn]

Names can be switched, but I have no problems with any of the top 7 as the top 7.

My only real issue is Elway as high as number 1. I also wouldn't have Brady as high as 5, but I tend to underweight active players until their careers playout.

Looks like it is my turn in the every 5 rule. I don't have a list written down like some people do, so I'm hoping I'm not missing anyone, but the guys I was looking at are Starr, Tarkenton, Manning, Staubach, Bradshaw, Baugh. I went with Starr for those great Green Bay teams.

Someone asked about the "no-name" dropping policy. I for one encourage name dropping, as I like to see who people are thinking of next

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton

[philkid3]

Staubach at 10? :'(

Next I'm looking at Steve Young, Peyton Manning, Sid Luckman, Troy Aikman, Dan Fouts and Terry Bradshaw.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach

As far as how it's going, I think Brady is quite a bit too high, and Starr and Tarkenton are a little too high. Sammy Baugh and Steve Young seem like they're next up to be way too low. And I'm betting this list will make the difference between Brady and Manning out to be more than it actually is.

But that's part of what makes the list interesting. Peoples' opinions of quarterbacks change pretty wildly from person to person.

[Seattle1]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen

[philkid3]

There was a Redskins quarterback who I thought was due. That wasn't him.:laughing:

[ATLFalcons]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young


Hmm....I had to pop in my 100 greatest quarterback VHS to make a decision. :D

[CCN]

There was a Redskins quarterback who I thought was due. That wasn't him.:laughing:

I think we're thinking of the same guy. JOE THEISMAN!

Theisman punted early in his career, too. Can you imagine another QB doing that?*

*loaded question

Oh, wait. I can pick.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh

It was tough to not pick Peyton Manning, but I'm not a fan of his past tendency to throw teammates under the bus or help contribute to their failure. (See Vandejagt, Mike. Especially after his last game as a Colt where Manning practically refused to give him better positioning on the missed field goal that lost the playoff game). That is not a good quality for a player in THE leadership position.

Plus, Manning has all the respect in the world for Baugh.

[philkid3]

Theisman punted early in his career, too. Can you imagine another QB doing that?*

*loaded question

Good. So you'll support me if I put Danny White at 15. :nod:

[brady_branch]

Well, I was waiting all day for you to put another post up with your pick, and I never looked and saw that you edited it. My bad. If somebody else had put up another guy, then I would have put Baugh at 14.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning

Real hard choice for me here between Manning and another guy. In the end, I went with the guy who I've seen play, and as such, can justify this selection based on more than stats and opinions of others.

[philkid3]

Real hard choice for me here between Manning and another guy. In the end, I went with the guy who I've seen play, and as such, can justify this selection based on more than stats and opinions of others.
Who was the other guy?

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Fran Tarkenton

[CCN]

Who was the other guy?

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Fran Tarkenton

I've heard Tarkenton was two-faced, but . . .

[philkid3]

I've heard Tarkenton was two-faced, but . . .

That's Fran senior, dude. You know, the first QB to throw 20 touchdowns and run for 20 more for the Maroons back in the day. . .

Yeah. . .

[philkid3]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman

[Carsonpalmer9]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath

[philkid3]

I'm going out of turn to see if I can't keep this moving:

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman

[Brooklyn]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle

[Romosexual]

Unitas and Elway don't belong in the top 5?!

Meant the order. Elway would be #5 or 6 for me.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly

[ATLFalcons]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon

[philkid3]

Nice to see the thread moving along again.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson

[Brooklyn]

In case anyone is intersted, the only HOF QBs that we have not yet ranked are: George Blanda, Bob Griese, Jim Kelly, Norm Van Brocklin, and Bob Waterfield.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms

[Romosexual]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason

Kelly has been listed.

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler

[philkid3]

Whoah! Curveball!

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson

[CCN]

Whoah! Curveball!

28. Norm Van Brocklin

I seriously thought about old Norm, Fran Tarkenton's favorite coach. That brings up another old-time QB I'm looking at next.

[philkid3]

Shoot, I meant to put Benny Friedman next.

Whoops.

[CCN]

Shoot, I meant to put Benny Friedman next.

Whoops.

I thought about Friedman. His nephew gave quite a speech at his HOF induction a couple years back.

Not who I plan on taking, though. I'm going to wait to see if the other three who are participating (you just picked, brady, so I'm not including you in that) before going.

[Brooklyn]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie

[Seattle1]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg

[philkid3]

What a shock.

:disbelief:

[football junkie]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe

[philkid3]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield

[Brooklyn]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart

It's requiring quite a bit of thought at this point. I think some of the QBs of the distant past are getting a little short-shrifted overall, but I don't have any real complaints about any of the names above. Some could be higher. Some could be lower. I don't think we've really missed too much at the expense of the names chosen thus far.

[philkid3]

Testaverde, so far, is the only incredibly shocking choice.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda

[brady_branch]

Are we allowed to rank guys who played only at the college level? I understand that they wouldn't be where we are now, but later on, could Jason White or Nile Kinnick be considered?

[philkid3]

I meant for this to be NFL, so no. But then I also can't stop you from putting what ever criteria you want on your choice.

[Brooklyn]

Are we allowed to rank guys who played only at the college level? I understand that they wouldn't be where we are now, but later on, could Jason White or Nile Kinnick be considered?

When I added Flutie, I included his time in the CFL, USFL, and his college play was in the back of my mind. He obviously wouldn't be that high with just his NFL stats. I wouldn't be surprised if the vote for Moon included CFL, too.

I'd be hard pressed to include anyone without any NFL experience. I think we'd have to get pretty far down the list before any real consideration, we'll see how long this project goes.

[Brooklyn]

Testaverde, so far, is the only incredibly shocking choice.

6th all time in passing yards.
8th all time in passing TDs
6th all time in passes completed
Heisman Trophy winner
2 time pro-bowl
1 time all-pro

He unfortunately played on some veyr bad teams during his career.

[CCN]

6th all time in passing yards.
8th all time in passing TDs
6th all time in passes completed
Heisman Trophy winner
2 time pro-bowl
1 time all-pro

He unfortunately played on some veyr bad teams during his career.

I, myself, don't have issues with Testaverde. Yes, his career numbers are aided by longevity, but that, it and of itself, shouldn't be taken as a big negative. Testaverde was an very good QB for a very long time, and that's about where we're at right now.

In regards to Flutie, I would think his CFL and USFL tenure needs to be considered. College QBs, though, and especially of recent vintage, are very much about the system they play in. There's a reason pro teams did not even sniff Jason White's way, or Eric Crouch wasn't considered at QB. There success had near as much to do with the system they played in as their own ability.

There are a couple more old time QBs I am presently looking at, as well as some of the gunslingers of the 70's and 80's. While visiting family over the holiday, I found my Top 100 Quarterbacks book, which came out in the mid-eighties. The number of Quarterbacks throughout NFL history with a sustainable career is not that great.

[football junkie]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark

Since we already had Hadl, it's good someone grabbed Gabriel.

Ok. Sorry. :silent:

[brady_branch]

College QBs, though, and especially of recent vintage, are very much about the system they play in. There's a reason pro teams did not even sniff Jason White's way, or Eric Crouch wasn't considered at QB. There success had near as much to do with the system they played in as their own ability.

In White's case, he had two horribly injured knees. That's why nobody drafted him, not because he wasn't talented.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon

[Brooklyn]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie

[football junkie]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett

[philkid3]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham

[ATLFalcons]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann

[Brooklyn]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese

[philkid3]

Whoah, how did Griese fall that far? That was a mistake, I didn't realize he was still waiting. I would have put him ahead of Van Brocklin and everyone I've put on since then.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner

[CCN]

I missed Griese, too. He should have gone in about 25 spots ago. At least.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett

[Brooklyn]

I missed Griese, too. He should have gone in about 25 spots ago. At least.



I was going through the HOFers to make sure they were all there, and was also shocked that we missed Griese, long overdue.

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Drew Bledsoe

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Drew Bledsoe

Another who easily could have gone much higher. I do have my next pick ready, but I've already picked today.

[Brooklyn]

I do have my next pick ready, but I've already picked today.

Did we switch from every five picks to once a day?

[football junkie]

Bledsoe is already at 32, thank you.

[CCN]

Bledsoe is already at 32, thank you.

No, thank you. I was kind of feeling bad about missing not just one but two quarterbacks like that.

Brooklyn, it about evens out. I was waiting one a day but trying to make sure a few others had picked. I don't think anything has actually changed. So, I won't pick just yet.

[Brooklyn]

No, thank you. I was kind of feeling bad about missing not just one but two quarterbacks like that.

Brooklyn, it about evens out. I was waiting one a day but trying to make sure a few others had picked. I don't think anything has actually changed. So, I won't pick just yet.

I just picked at 48 so was waiting, although it is unclear how many posters are still playing this game

[CCN]

I just picked at 48 so was waiting, although it is unclear how many posters are still playing this game

I'd say about a half-dozen regular or semi-regular participants. We have a couple one-shotters. Oh, well. Their reasoning for not continuing is their own.

We're back at 51, though.

[Brooklyn]

I'd say about a half-dozen regular or semi-regular participants. We have a couple one-shotters. Oh, well. Their reasoning for not continuing is their own.

We're back at 51, though.

I'll keep it moving, then

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski

[brady_branch]

My mistake on Bledsoe.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones

[CCN]

Wow, Bert Jones. Boy did they want him to be Johnny Unitas. They talked about him like he was. They being the media of the day.

[philkid3]

Going early to keep things moving.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb

[football junkie]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb
54. Mark Brunell

[philkid3]

I was trying to choose between McNabb and Brunell.

[CCN]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb
54. Mark Brunell
55. Darryl Lamonica

[Brooklyn]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb
54. Mark Brunell
55. Darryl Lamonica
56. Archie Manning

[brady_branch]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb
54. Mark Brunell
55. Darryl Lamonica
56. Archie Manning
57. Trent Green

[Seattle1]

I would go along with removing Doug Flutie and Jim Everett from the list if others want to. Also, I would agree with not including Trent Green yet. No offense to anyone who picked those guys.

[brady_branch]

I don't think you can remove anybody from the list once they're up. Especially not guys who have been up as long as Flutie and Everett have.

As for Green, I've got him as one of the top five QBs in the league each year from 2002-05. By contrast, from 2000-2007, Donovan McNabb, who was put up four spots ahead of Green, finished in the top ten just once, and in the top fifteen only twice.

[philkid3]

I would go along with removing Doug Flutie and Jim Everett from the list if others want to. Also, I would agree with not including Trent Green yet. No offense to anyone who picked those guys.

You're not removing anyone, least of all Flutie and Everett who aren't in bad positions.

Look at the people you put Krieg ahead of.

[philkid3]

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb
54. Mark Brunell
55. Darryl Lamonica
56. Archie Manning
57. Trent Green
58. Jack Kemp

[Brooklyn]

I would go along with removing Doug Flutie and Jim Everett from the list if others want to. Also, I would agree with not including Trent Green yet. No offense to anyone who picked those guys.

On what basis? I'm sure all out lists would like quite different if we were to make them individually, but that wasn't the point of this project.

[CCN]

No sense is waiting any further.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb
54. Mark Brunell
55. Darryl Lamonica
56. Archie Manning
57. Trent Green
58. Jack Kemp
59. Bernie Kosar

[CCN]

We've gone this far, we can't stop now! Not over a little minor quibbling.

[Brooklyn]

We've gone this far, we can't stop now! Not over a little minor quibbling.

I've actually run out of QBs that I had interest in. I made a list about 30 spots back of 10 or so QBs that would be next on my list, and they've now all been added.

When I have free time, I'll do more research to get me to more spots, but we're getting to some slim pickings. I also don't think the older QBs will be as fairly represented at this level since they won't have the name recognition as some of their comparable QBs from more recent days

[CCN]

I've actually run out of QBs that I had interest in. I made a list about 30 spots back of 10 or so QBs that would be next on my list, and they've now all been added.

When I have free time, I'll do more research to get me to more spots, but we're getting to some slim pickings. I also don't think the older QBs will be as fairly represented at this level since they won't have the name recognition as some of their comparable QBs from more recent days

That is true. I have a small handful of older QBs, but the most are at least contemporary to the 80's and later.

It pretty much is at the point where we can throw any number of names out there and they'd be interchangeable with the next 10 or 20. In my 20-year-old Top 100 Quarterbacks book I mentioned earlier it says there are about 40 truly great QBs and the rest are at least a step below. We've reached a step below. Or three.

[brady_branch]

One more to get it to a round 60.

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb
54. Mark Brunell
55. Darryl Lamonica
56. Archie Manning
57. Trent Green
58. Jack Kemp
59. Bernie Kosar
60. Craig Morton

[Seattle1]

Look at the people you put Krieg ahead of.


What's wrong with Dave Krieg? If anything he's low on the list.

[Seattle1]

On what basis? I'm sure all out lists would like quite different if we were to make them individually, but that wasn't the point of this project.


Flutie spent most of his career in Canada. I like the guy, but he really shouldn't be included on this list, imo.

[Seattle1]

Dave Krieg #12 all-time with 38,147 passing yards (http://www.profootballhof.com/history/story.jsp?story_id=2652)

Dave Krieg #10 all-time with 261 passing touchdowns (http://www.profootballhof.com/history/story.jsp?story_id=2358)

:clap:

[Brooklyn]

I put the HOFers in red

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Brett Favre
5. Tom Brady
6. Otto Graham
7. Dan Marino
8. Bart Starr
9. Fran Tarkenton
10. Roger Staubach
11. Sonny Jurgensen
12. Steve Young
13. Sammy Baugh
14. Peyton Manning
15. Sid Luckman
16. Joe Namath
17. Troy Aikman
18. Terry Bradshaw
19. Dan Fouts
20. Y.A. Tittle
21. Jim Kelly
22. Warren Moon
23. Bobby Layne
24. Len Dawson
25. Phil Simms
26. Boomer Esiason
27. Ken Stabler
28. Norm Van Brocklin
29. Ken Anderson
30. Doug Flutie
31. Dave Krieg
32. Drew Bledsoe
33. Benny Friedman
34. Bob Waterfield
35. Vinny Testaverde
36. John Hadl
37. Jim Hart
38. George Blanda
39. Roman Gabriel
40. Dutch Clark
41. Rich Gannon
42. John Brodie
43. Jim "Chris" Everett
44. Ed Brown
45. Arnie Herber
46. Randall Cunningham
47. Joe Theismann
48. Bob Griese
49. Kurt Warner
50. Jim Plunkett
51. Ron Jaworski
52. Bert Jones
53. Donovan McNabb
54. Mark Brunell
55. Darryl Lamonica
56. Archie Manning
57. Trent Green
58. Jack Kemp
59. Bernie Kosar
60. Craig Morton