Michael Vick's Punishment

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He deserves it. I would have made it permanent. The facts speak for themselves, and this Vick is one sick man. I cannot imagine why the Falcons would keep him, and I fully expect them to go after a portion of his huge signing bonus.

[football junkie]

Reports are already coming out that the Falcons are seeking all $22 million in bonuses back from Vick. His base salary is void due to his suspension. (Which I also hope is turned into a lifetime ban.)

At least 18 Months in federal prison.

At least $130,000,000 in contract money forfeited.

The Vick Signature show from Nike is now a thing of the past.

The #7 ATL Jersey from Reebok is off the market.

Rawlings has dumped Vick.

All of that just so he could play his demented dog fighting games.

I feel no sympathy for Vick. At the same time, I find it incredibly hard to believe that with all the money the Falcons invested in Vick and all the money that Nike and Reebok invested in Vick and all the marketing dollars that the NFL poured into building up Vick as the new face of the NFL that no one (Falcons, Nike, Reebok, NFL) did a thorough enough background check on this guy before investing the megamillions in him to find this dog kennel business out. I'd bet a nickle that somebody knew what was going on and was keeping quiet about it. Are the NFL, Nike, Reebok and the Falcons really so imcompetent that this could go on right under their noses for six years without them catching a wiff?

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Reports are already coming out that the Falcons are seeking all $22 million in bonuses back from Vick. His base salary is void due to his suspension. (Which I also hope is turned into a lifetime ban.)

At least 18 Months in federal prison.

At least $130,000,000 in contract money forfeited.

The Vick Signature show from Nike is now a thing of the past.

The #7 ATL Jersey from Reebok is off the market.

Rawlings has dumped Vick.

All of that just so he could play his demented dog fighting games.

I feel no sympathy for Vick. At the same time, I find it incredibly hard to believe that with all the money the Falcons invested in Vick and all the money that Nike and Reebok invested in Vick and all the marketing dollars that the NFL poured into building up Vick as the new face of the NFL that no one (Falcons, Nike, Reebok, NFL) did a thorough enough background check on this guy before investing the megamillions in him to find this dog kennel business out. I'd bet a nickle that somebody knew what was going on and was keeping quiet about it. Are the NFL, Nike, Reebok and the Falcons really so imcompetent that this could go on right under their noses for six years without them catching a wiff?
I think you would win your bet. Some of his teammates had to know about it, and it is inconceivable that all of them kept vows of silence. Is it my imagination or did Vick actually say at a news conference that he really loved dogs?

[ATLFalcons]

I agree that he should be suspended indefinitely, but those trying to get him banned permanently are out of their mind. This isn't the worst criminal active an NFL has committed, so let's not get out of our league.

http://fanaticking.com/photos/Michael_Vick_Dog.jpg:dismay: :dismay:

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I agree that he should be suspended indefinitely, but those trying to get him banned permanently are out of their mind. This isn't the worst criminal active an NFL has committed, so let's not get out of our league.

http://fanaticking.com/photos/Michael_Vick_Dog.jpg:dismay: :dismay:
That picture elicits sympathy for the poor dog, not Michael Vick.

I've noticed on the radio that callers defend Vick by resorting to the red herring. Instead of talking about Vick, they cry racism or mention other crimes and criminals. There are NFL criminals worse than Vick. (Who was that pass catcher who murdered his girlfriend?) But they are irrelevant, and Leonard DUI Little has nothing to with Vick. If these other criminals have not been punished adequately, then that does not mean that Vick should receive leniency. I am hoping that I never see Vick on an NFL football field again.

[cbenson5]

I don't believe that Mr. Vick will get another chance in the NFL. He will be sitting out at least two years. I don't see any team being willing to take the public backlash that would result from signing Vick. After a two year hiatus, it is doubtful that he would be an effective quarterback anyway. What Vick did is terrible and he is receiving significant punishemnt for his acts. I'm all for giving people a second chance after they serve their time, but I can understand NFL teams not wanting to deal with Vick.

Charles

[ATLFalcons]

That picture elicits sympathy for the poor dog, not Michael Vick.

I've noticed on the radio that callers defend Vick by resorting to the red herring. Instead of talking about Vick, they cry racism or mention other crimes and criminals. There are NFL criminals worse than Vick. (Who was that pass catcher who murdered his girlfriend?) But they are irrelevant, and Leonard DUI Little has nothing to with Vick. If these other criminals have not been punished adequately, then that does not mean that Vick should receive leniency. I am hoping that I never see Vick on an NFL football field again.

I hate to see that people make this a racial issue, because it's not. It's an issue of right and wrong, and all people with morals know that pitting two animals in combat is wrong. You supported Vick's return unknowingly by saying the other criminals haven't been punished adequately. Little and Vick's cases are two separate one's, but in your opinion which is worse, the death of a person or a dog? Try not to make this a Vick hate or Vick fan issue as to if he should return to the league. Let's use good judgment.

F.Y.I.
The player who murdered his girlfriend was Rae Carruth.

I don't believe that Mr. Vick will get another chance in the NFL. He will be sitting out at least two years. I don't see any team being willing to take the public backlash that would result from signing Vick. After a two year hiatus, it is doubtful that he would be an effective quarterback anyway. What Vick did is terrible and he is receiving significant punishemnt for his acts. I'm all for giving people a second chance after they serve their time, but I can understand NFL teams not wanting to deal with Vick.

Charles

As a fan I want him to return, but the reality is he may not. He's too high profile of a player to take a risk on and it wouldn't be pretty for the NFL.

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I hate to see that people make this a racial issue, because it's not. It's an issue of right and wrong, and all people with morals know that pitting two animals in combat is wrong. You supported Vick's return unknowingly by saying the other criminals haven't been punished adequately. Little and Vick's cases are two separate one's, but in your opinion which is worse, the death of a person or a dog? Try not to make this a Vick hate or Vick fan issue as to if he should return to the league. Let's use good judgment.

F.Y.I.
The player who murdered his girlfriend was Rae Carruth.
You have misread me. My point was the exactly the same as yours. The other cases are separate ones. Little was not punished adequately, but his case and the Carruth case have nothing to do with the Vick case. I called such cases red herrings. In other words, they are beside the point, the point being Michael Vick's crimes. My use of "But" means that I don't regard the Little and Caruth cases as parallels.

Your question, therefore, is irrelevant. It is also impossible to determine which death is worse, the human's or the canine's, without knowing who died. For example, if you were asking me which death deserves more sympathy, the death of the child-molesting priest in prison or the death of my wire-haired fox terrier, Sweetheart, the answer would be obvious. I did rejoice when I heard that the priest had been killed painfully in prison, and I did grieve for my dog and was right to do so. But the question is not germane, so there is no reason to consider it.

[ATLFalcons]

You have misread me. My point was the exactly the same as yours. The other cases are separate ones. Little was not punished adequately, but his case and the Carruth case have nothing to do with the Vick case. I called such cases red herrings. In other words, they are beside the point, the point being Michael Vick's crimes. My use of "But" means that I don't regard the Little and Caruth cases as parallels.

Your question, therefore, is irrelevant. It is also impossible to determine which death is worse, the human's or the canine's, without knowing who died. For example, if you were asking me which death deserves more sympathy, the death of the child-molesting priest in prison or the death of my wire-haired fox terrier, Sweetheart, the answer would be obvious. I did rejoice when I heard that the priest had been killed painfully in prison, and I did grieve for my dog and was right to do so. But the question is not germane, so there is no reason to consider it.
OK, your point is understood. Now, I want to raise another question, How do you feel about the "Vick supporters", the people who think Vick shouldn't be jailed? Basically, the people who drive 8 hours from Atlanta to Richmond just to say they're Vick fans.

[brady_branch]

Those people are ridiculous.

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OK, your point is understood. Now, I want to raise another question, How do you feel about the "Vick supporters", the people who think Vick shouldn't be jailed? Basically, the people who drive 8 hours from Atlanta to Richmond just to say they're Vick fans.
The Vick supporters have yet to make a rational case for supporting him. Vick support usually consists of raising issues that have nothing to do with Vick. One Vick supporter will say something like, "If Vick had been white, he wouldn't be going to jail." Or, "Vick didn't kill any human being; what's the big deal?" Or, "Michael didn't bet on any games; why suspend him?" The "defense" for Vick is usually a focus on what other criminals have done. What Vick did, however, is indefensible: and he is going to pay quite a price. And it doesn't matter how far Vick supporters have traveled.

[ATLFalcons]

The Vick supporters have yet to make a rational case for supporting him. Vick support usually consists of raising issues that have nothing to do with Vick. One Vick supporter will say something like, "If Vick had been white, he wouldn't be going to jail." Or, "Vick didn't kill any human being; what's the big deal?" Or, "Michael didn't bet on any games; why suspend him?" The "defense" for Vick is usually a focus on what other criminals have done. What Vick did, however, is indefensible: and he is going to pay quite a price. And it doesn't matter how far Vick supporters have traveled.

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I'm African-American and I feel that we always try to play the race card if something in a criminal case doesn't go in our favor. I hate that it has to be that way, "Vick supporters" don't have a justifiable argument when they play the race card. It's not a black or white issue, it's a right and wrong issue, DOGFIGHTING is WRONG!

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:highfive: :highfive:

I'm African-American and I feel that we always try to play the race card if something in a criminal case doesn't go in our favor. I hate that it has to be that way, "Vick supporters" don't have a justifiable argument when they play the race card. It's not a black or white issue, it's a right and wrong issue, DOGFIGHTING is WRONG!
Playing the race card desensitizes people to the word "racism." As a result, actual cases of racism may not get the attention they deserve.

Ths issue with Vick is certainly not a racial one. Michael is not being victimized by people who dislike African Americans.

I understand that Mr. Vick is now telling the media that he has found Jesus.