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ATLFalcons
07-17-2007, 07:46 PM
NFL star Michael Vick was indicted by a federal grand jury Tuesday on charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation so grisly the losers either died in the pit or sometimes were electrocuted, drowned, hanged or shot.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vickindictment&prov=ap&type=lgns
redlegsfan21
07-18-2007, 12:27 AM
Guess the Falcons shouldn't have traded their backup QB. let's see how Goodell handles a star player getting in trouble.
ATLFalcons
07-18-2007, 06:34 AM
I'm conent with Harrington stepping in for Vick.
Packer Backer
07-18-2007, 04:47 PM
This whole deal just sickens me- Especially since I rescue dogs and volunteer for a huge rescue operation here in Arizona. I'd love to see Vick thrown in jail, but we all know that won't happen. At the very least, I hope the Falcons and the NFL do the right thing. I am so sick of players getting the star treatment.
redlegsfan21
07-18-2007, 05:20 PM
This whole deal just sickens me- Especially since I rescue dogs and volunteer for a huge rescue operation here in Arizona. I'd love to see Vick thrown in jail, but we all know that won't happen. At the very least, I hope the Falcons and the NFL do the right thing. I am so sick of players getting the star treatment.
With Goodell's regime, I'm sure Vick is going to get a decent punishment from the NFL.
ATLFalcons
07-18-2007, 07:06 PM
What strings can be pulled for him not to be charged? There is a 95% conviction rate for cases like this and hope Vick isn't in the 5%.
With Goodell's regime, I'm sure Vick is going to get a decent punishment from the NFL.
Agreed. It's still a major black-eye for the league. I have a feeling that we may see more players get exposed for partaking in this sick spectacle.
C. Snake
07-19-2007, 08:04 AM
What strings can be pulled for him not to be charged? There is a 95% conviction rate for cases like this and hope Vick isn't in the 5%.
See Scooter Libby. I do feel Vick should get thrown into jail, though. What he did is vile and inhumane.
See Scooter Libby. I do feel Vick should get thrown into jail, though. What he did is vile and inhuimane.
Not everyone, including Vick, is a close friend of the President. Which is why convictions happen. Bad parallel.
As more gets out, the more Vick's marketability gets destroyed. He'll likely receive a short sentence, but this is extremely damaging. It's not like wrong place wrong time like some cases. It's very possible we've seen the last of Vick in the NFL.
Brooklyn
07-19-2007, 09:51 AM
Not everyone, including Vick, is a close friend of the President. Which is why convictions happen. Bad parallel.
As more gets out, the more Vick's marketability gets destroyed. He'll likely receive a short sentence, but this is extremely damaging. It's not like wrong place wrong time like some cases. It's very possible we've seen the last of Vick in the NFL.
Agreed, it is going to take a lot for him to turn his image around. It isnot like it was a one time thing that can be forgiven. He was involved for years.
Even if not convicted, I can't see him being marketable for years, if he even has a job
Packer Backer
07-19-2007, 06:00 PM
Well, Nike suspended the release of his new shoe... Maybe that's a step in the right direction.
C. Snake
07-19-2007, 06:39 PM
Well, Nike suspended the release of his new shoe... Maybe that's a step in the right direction.
I think it is... darn, though. Those were some pretty nice shoes!
redlegsfan21
07-19-2007, 09:12 PM
By HANK KURZ Jr.
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - When Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick appears in federal court next week on dogfighting charges, he'll go before a judge not impressed by Vick's celebrity and in a court known nationwide for its speedy handling of cases.
Legal experts describe U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson as a tough but fair jurist who, in five years on the federal bench, has become known for handing down stiff sentences, for being prepared and for allowing both sides to show their cards.
"Trial lawyers love to appear in his court because he lets the lawyers try their case," defense attorney and former prosecutor William J. Dinkin of Richmond said. "Everyone is going to get their fair shake. He's a very evenhanded trial judge."
Vick's appearance July 26 along with three other defendants will be to enter pleas to charges of competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting, and conducting the enterprise across state lines. If convicted of both felony charges, the four face up to six years in prison, fines of up to $350,000 and restitution.
Hudson is "generally known as a hard sentencer," Dinkin said, and is not likely to treat Vick any differently because of his superstar status and $130 million contract.
"He's straight forward, a straight shooter," said Carl Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond. "You don't get any special perks because of who you are, and you don't get punished because you aren't somebody who is a public figure."
The Falcons will be conducting their first practice of training camp under a new coach while Vick is in court, and Hudson is unlikely to be influenced at all by that.
"I would not expect Judge Hudson to make any special allowances because Mr. Vick plays in the NFL," said defense lawyer Craig W. Sampson of Richmond, who has had several cases before Hudson. "Virginia courts, both state and federal, are generally very businesslike in the way they run their dockets."
That's especially true of the U.S. District Court in Richmond, which has become known as the "rocket docket" for getting its cases handled expediently.
"They really do move the cases along," Tobias said. "They're no-nonsense."
Sampson said lawyers know going in that their cases won't languish.
"When a case is filed, the judges demand that the lawyers get moving," he said. "Discovery is to be done, hearings scheduled, and the cases heard. No excuses."
The complexity of Vick's case, however, could slow it down, Tobias said.
"You've got four people and a lot of actions in a lot of states and a whole bunch of witnesses. It could be fairly complicated so, on that basis, it may take more time," he said, adding that most federal cases are plea-bargained before getting to court.
Considering the stakes, though, and Vick's ability to afford the best legal team money can buy, it seems unlikely he'll pass on a trial and his possible exoneration.
While Falcons owner Arthur Blank on Thursday echoed the stances of the NFL and the player's union in saying his centerpiece quarterback is due his day in court, Tobias said the grisly allegations in the 18-page indictment are difficult to ignore.
But, for due process to work, they must be, he said.
"What the grand jury certified certainly was extensive and reprehensible, but it's different than being convicted before a jury in a courtroom," he said. "We'll see."
http://sports.myway.com/news/07192007/v2167.html
brady_branch
07-20-2007, 06:24 AM
This isn't something like his brother being stupid a couple times. This is him doing something illegal for years. I guess PETA wasn't being so irrational when they asked for Vick to get kicked off the team.
Funny, the first thing I thought when I heard this was "Well, now they probably wish they hadn't traded Matt Schaub."
efin98
07-20-2007, 06:28 AM
I think it is... darn, though. Those were some pretty nice shoes!
You can still buy all his old stuff, they weren't willing to get rid of everything Vick...:ughh:
efin98
07-20-2007, 06:33 AM
Regarding his sentancing... he will likely see a few months in jail and face a hefty fine but no big deal. I doubt any of the front office people in the league really give a damn about the charges, they will throw money away on him as much as they can after the Falcons release him next year(not this year). Remember what happened to Jamal Lewis of the Ravens after he got sentenced to jail...
The good news is that the Falcons finally have enough garbage on him to toss him out and have nine months to conduct their search for the next QB for the team...
brady_branch
07-20-2007, 04:15 PM
The problem with the Lewis case was that there wasn't enough evidence to give him anything larger than use of a cell phone to set up a drug deal. They had no evidence that Lewis actually had possession of the drugs, that he sold them, or anything else. Plus, it was prosecuted something like four years after it happened -- not like this, where it will be prosecuted immediately after investigation. I agree that he won't get much more than a few months, nothing like the six years that the maximum for his case can get, but it's not like the Lewis case.
efin98
07-20-2007, 06:50 PM
The problem with the Lewis case was that there wasn't enough evidence to give him anything larger than use of a cell phone to set up a drug deal. They had no evidence that Lewis actually had possession of the drugs, that he sold them, or anything else. Plus, it was prosecuted something like four years after it happened -- not like this, where it will be prosecuted immediately after investigation. I agree that he won't get much more than a few months, nothing like the six years that the maximum for his case can get, but it's not like the Lewis case.
What I meant by bringing up Lewis is the sentence that Vick will get will be short and he will likely be going to jail for the few months during the offseason where he wouldn't be doing anything anyway, which is the sentence that Lewis got.
Patriot Reign
07-21-2007, 06:38 AM
You can still buy all his old stuff, they weren't willing to get rid of everything Vick...:ughh:
Yea his jersey is still a top seller. I wonder what new name he will use now? :D
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/article/602/602086/jersey-of-the-week-ron-mexico-20050406031734738-000.jpg
One sick story. Vick is evasive, but he's not going to do some fancy footwork and miss getting tackled on this one. Maybe he should be thrown into a cage and let him fight it out with one of his trophy dogs.
efin98
07-21-2007, 10:08 AM
One sick story. Vick is evasive, but he's not going to do some fancy footwork and miss getting tackled on this one. Maybe he should be thrown into a cage and let him fight it out with one of his trophy dogs.
He did to himself by doing the organizing and traveling across state lines- if he had just done it in Virginia he wouldn't have had federal charges brought against him and would at most face state charges in a state that worships him...
C. Snake
07-25-2007, 02:09 PM
He did to himself by doing the organizing and traveling across state lines- if he had just done it in Virginia he wouldn't have had federal charges brought against him and would at most face state charges in a state that worships him...
I wonder if the "dogs are people too" foundation is located in Virginia.....
Packer Backer
07-26-2007, 04:07 PM
Well Vick entered an "innocent" plea today. The trial is slated to begin on 11/26, just in time for the best part of the season.
A couple things real quickly:
First, I hear the Falcons are going to release him in order to create cap room AND that all his pictures have been removed from all their facilities.
Second, the whole dog brutal case is a haneous crime to commit. I read the indictment today, and there are 84 counts against Vick and his thug friends. It sickens me to read about how these animals were tortured and murdered.
But don't forget the other crimes that go with betting. He wagered as much as $34,000 per fight. This went on over a course of 3-4 years, and across several different states making this a federal offense.
So... Can we list other crimes that are assoiciated with illegal betting?
- Money laundering
- Extortion
- Tax evasion
- Bribery
- Purgery
The list could go on and on, and I'm positive these crimes among others will be brought up in court.
The dog murdering alone is enough to get him locked up and impossible to find a jury that will let him off.
If I had to guess, I'd say his days in the NFL are over. Hopefully.
efin98
07-26-2007, 07:26 PM
Packer Backer, those are just the federal crimes. He still hasn't been brought up on state charges YET, the state(s) are waiting for the federal trial to be over with before they seek their own charges.
Packer Backer
07-26-2007, 10:22 PM
Packer Backer, those are just the federal crimes. He still hasn't been brought up on state charges YET, the state(s) are waiting for the federal trial to be over with before they seek their own charges.
I'm no lawyer, but I'd say he's in deep doo-doo. Too bad for him that Johnny Cochrane is dead.
redlegsfan21
07-27-2007, 07:42 PM
By PAUL NEWBERRY
FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. (AP) - Nike suspended its lucrative contract with Michael Vick on Friday, while Reebok took the unprecedented step of stopping sales of his No. 7 jersey.
In another dose of bad news for the indicted quarterback, a top trading card company announced it was pulling Vick's likeness from any new packs.
Facing protests from animal-rights groups, Nike announced it was suspending Vick's endorsement deal without pay, as well as halting sales of Vick-related shoes and other products at its retail stores.
"Nike is concerned by the serious and highly disturbing allegations made against Michael Vick, and we consider any cruelty to animals inhumane and abhorrent," Nike spokesman Dean Stoyer said in a statement.
Reebok, the official uniform supplier of the NFL, said it would stop selling Vick's replica jersey at retail stores and through its Web site.
Donruss, one of four major trading card companies, has decided to pull Vick's card from any future 2007 releases, according to Beckett Media, which covers the collectibles industry.
All three hits came one day after the Atlanta Falcons quarterback pleaded not guilty to federal dogfighting charges in Richmond, Va. In the indictment, he was accused of sponsoring a gruesome operation that often shot, hanged, drowned or electrocuted losing dogs.
Since Vick has not been convicted of any crime, Nike left open the door to resume its business relationship with the star player if he's acquitted. The company already had decided to suspend release of his fifth signature shoe, the Air Zoom Vick V.
"We do believe that Michael Vick should be afforded the same due process as any citizen in the United States," the Nike statement said. "Therefore, we have not terminated our relationship."
Vick signed with Nike in 2001, the same year Atlanta chose him as the NFL's No. 1 overall draft pick. He led the Falcons to the NFC championship game during the 2004 season and last year became the first quarterback in league history to rush for 1,000 yards.
Vick is barred from the Falcons' training camp while the league investigates his actions for possible violations of its new personal conduct policy. He is set for trial Nov. 26 and faces up to five years in prison.
The case began April 25 when investigators conducting a drug search at a massive home Vick built in rural Virginia found 66 dogs, including 55 pit bulls, and equipment typically used in dogfighting. They included a "rape stand" that holds aggressive dogs in place for mating and a "breakstick" used to pry open a dog's mouth.
PETA - People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals - called off its planned protest at a dozen Niketown stores across the country next week.
"Regardless of Vick's guilt or innocence in a court of law, the facts in this case clearly support this decision," PETA said. "No company wants a spokesperson with a massive illegal dogfighting ring operating on his property, regardless of his level of involvement."
The Humane Society of the United States said the companies couldn't ignore the overwhelming opposition to having any association with Vick. He said some 165,000 e-mails were sent to Nike through the group's Web site.
"I think there's a direct relationship," said Wayne Pacelle, president of the HSUS. "We asked them to do this and the pressure continued to build, especially as the facts of the indictment came out. It simply became an untenable position."
There was no immediate response from the Vick camp. An after-hours phone message was left with his agent, Joel Segal, while unsuccessful attempts were made to reach his new attorney, Billy Martin, by phone and e-mail.
Although Reebok does not have a business relationship with Vick, the Massachusetts-based company serves as the official supplier of apparel and equipment to all 32 NFL teams. Through that deal, it holds the coveted rights to sell jerseys at the retail level.
"We just find the allegations very upsetting and very disturbing," Reebok spokeswoman Denise Kaigler said. "While this is just the beginning of the legal process and we know that it has to have time to run its course, we felt that making this decision now was important and the right things to do."
Reebok said it also was willing to take back any unsold Vick jerseys that are returned by retail outlets.
Kaigler said she already had received numerous e-mails in support of the decision. Even though numerous NFL players have run afoul of the law, this is the first time Reebok has stopped sales of an individual jersey.
"The number of e-mails and statements we're getting from consumers was pretty telling about how disturbing people find these allegations to be," Kaigler said.
Beckett Media reported on its Web site that Donruss dropped Vick's card at the behest of owner Ann Powell, whose five dogs accompany her to work every day and have virtually free reign inside the company's headquarters.
"If anybody who knows about the current Vick situation knows Donruss, they know that this is a decision we had to make because of Ann and her love of dogs," company spokesman Scott Prusha told the Web site. "This decision came straight from Ann."
Donruss had an autograph agreement with Vick, and much of the company's plans for the remainder of the year included the insertion of both autograph and memorabilia cards bearing the quarterback's picture.
Prusha said that "wasn't even a consideration. We met as a company and the idea was brought up to pull him. There was no opposition from anybody in the room."
http://sports.myway.com/news/07272007/v1494.html
So... Can we list other crimes that are assoiciated with illegal betting?
- Money laundering
- Extortion
- Tax evasion
- Bribery
- Purgery
Has anyone else notied that the major media outlets (strangely, the same media outlets that have a stake in the success of the NFL) have ignored the illegal gambling aspect of this case?
Could the NFL be a little worried that there was gambling occuring on Falcons/NFL games. thus not wanting it widely publicised? :shrug: I'm not saying I believe Vick gambled on his own games but it's definately something to consider, given the relative silence of the matter.
efin98
07-29-2007, 06:17 AM
Has anyone else notied that the major media outlets (strangely, the same media outlets that have a stake in the success of the NFL) have ignored the illegal gambling aspect of this case?
Could the NFL be a little worried that there was gambling occuring on Falcons/NFL games. thus not wanting it widely publicised? :shrug: I'm not saying I believe Vick gambled on his own games but it's definately something to consider, given the relative silence of the matter.
Is gambling part of the indictment? If not then why report it if it isn't part of the story
Is gambling part of the indictment? If not then why report it if it isn't part of the story
I agree. Gambling on the dog fights is one thing, along with the other crimes involved, but it's too much of a stretch, too Nancy Grace-style of journalism, to tack things on like that.
Is gambling part of the indictment? If not then why report it if it isn't part of the story
I was under the impression it was part of it. I may be wrong, probably am.:shrug: I thought I had read it somewhere though at the minute I can't find where I read it.
efin98
07-30-2007, 09:33 AM
I was under the impression it was part of it. I may be wrong, probably am.:shrug: I thought I had read it somewhere though at the minute I can't find where I read it.
I breezed through the charges and they are only "conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aide of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture", gambling is mentioned in the indictment but he isn't charged with it
brady_branch
08-21-2007, 04:53 PM
I'm sick to death of hearing about this, but for those who haven't heard it yet, Vick has pleaded guilty. He will likely be sentenced to about a year in prison, and the NFL will likely suspend him once he gets back. The Falcons have been asked to hold off on punishment until the NFL does something.
efin98
08-21-2007, 07:34 PM
He could still get more than a year in jail from the plea, it's up to the judge to accept the deal or give him more than the 12 or so months he agreed to...he's out for '07 and most of '08 so he's probably done with the Falcons...
football junkie
08-22-2007, 07:51 PM
I hope the commish in the NFL steps up and does the right thing -- suspend Vick for at least three years to run consecutively with his prison sentence, preferably life.
I hope the commish in the NFL steps up and does the right thing -- suspend Vick for at least three years to run consecutively with his prison sentence, preferably life.
Odell Thurman's suspension is now at two years and counting. The public outcry about Vick is far, far greater. It's not just the animal rights groups who are disgusted, and Starbury certainly isn't going to win folks over with his support. I doubt he'll suit up again this decade.
C. Snake
08-23-2007, 05:02 PM
I hope the commish in the NFL steps up and does the right thing -- suspend Vick for at least three years to run consecutively with his prison sentence, preferably life.
I agree, junkie. BTW, welcome back!
efin98
08-26-2007, 03:33 AM
The league suspended him indefinately without pay after his plea was made legal Friday...he came down hard on him like everyone wanted.
Reports are also saying that the Falcons are going to try to recoup $22 million from Vick for his actions...nice way to stick to him more than to have him out of a job, in jail, and have to PAY YOU for his actions!
brady_branch
08-26-2007, 01:52 PM
Okay, now he's done. I'd thought he might come back a few years from now, but an indefinite suspension is pretty serious.
Old Sweater
08-30-2007, 09:02 PM
The league suspended him indefinately without pay after his plea was made legal Friday...he came down hard on him like everyone wanted.
Reports are also saying that the Falcons are going to try to recoup $22 million from Vick for his actions...nice way to stick to him more than to have him out of a job, in jail, and have to PAY YOU for his actions!
Vick could be eligble for reinstatement as soon as he gets out of prison. NFL has reinstated many felons.
Old Sweater
08-30-2007, 09:11 PM
The NFL like MLB has put themselves in a corner with the Vick matter. They should have had stricker suspenions in previous years.
Look at the bottom and there is a player named Christian Peter accused twice for rape in college that played for 3 NFL teams.
NFL should worry about felons, not Owens4. Paul Hornung and Alex Karras
Hornung, the Packers "Golden Boy" running back and 1961 MVP, and Karras, an All-Pro defensive tackle for the Lions, were forced to sit out the 1963 season, suspended by NFL commish Pete Rozelle for betting on NFL games and associating with gamblers. Hornung had bet up to $500 on games, said Rozelle, and Karras had placed at least a half dozen $50-$100 bets.
Hornung apologized. "I made a terrible mistake," he said. "I am truly sorry." Karras also said he was sorry, in his own way. Upon returning to action in 1964, he refused when an official asked him to call the pregame coin toss: "I'm sorry, sir," he said. "I'm not permitted to gamble
November 9, 2005
I probably shouldn't talk about this -- because I absolutely abhor the NFL, and by talking about this, it only highlights the league more -- but I can't stand by and listen to this garbage much longer. Terrell Owens, the scourge of the Earth ... for yapping his trap?
Are you kidding me?
Ray Lewis, lauded as the human highlight every week, obstructed justice -- and that's letting him off easy -- in a murder investigation. Leonard Little, a hero of a defensive lineman in St. Louis, killed a woman while driving drunk.
Jamal Lewis was cheered when he returned from a four-month stay in prison for drug trafficking. Now we're all so concerned about Jamal's "feelings" and why he isn't playing like he used to. Just a hunch: he was in prison for four months.
Michael Pittman, rammed his Hummer into his wife's car -- with his 2-year-old son inside -- and was cheered earlier this season when he stepped in for an injured Cadillac Williams and ran for 100-plus yards.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=33552&highlight=&sid=f3d9973b35b65125fc2b457bf20515cf
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Over 21% of the NFL's players have been arrested or indicted of major felonies.
http://www.thecommentary.ca/archives/20030925K.html
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Consider just some of the cases that escaped the former commissioner's wrath. In the 1990s, Christian Peter, then an All-Big Eight defensive tackle, was arrested eight times at Nebraska, where he was twice accused of rape — charges resulting in one out-of-court settlement and another conviction for sexual assault. Though the Patriots relinquished their draft rights to Peter, he would eventually play for three NFL teams.
Then there was Peter's Nebraska teammate, Lawrence Phillips, who pleaded to a brutal domestic abuse case before St. Louis took him with the sixth pick in 1996. Phillips would be arrested three times over the next 19 months. Later, the Dolphins would release him after he was accused of hitting a woman in a bar. Of course, that incident proved an insufficient deterrent for the 49ers who also gave him a shot.
Next, Rams defensive end Leonard Little. In 1998, while driving drunk, he ran a red light and killed Susan Gutweiler, a 47-year-old wife and mother. As per Little's plea deal, he got 90 nights in a work release program and 1,000 hours of community service. In 2004, Little beat another drunk driving case. Last year, he signed a new contract with St. Louis.
Jamal Lewis, a convicted drug trafficker, was suspended for all of two games.
Finally, there's Ray Lewis, who pleaded to obstruction of justice in a double-murder case. Today, he's more of a hero than ever.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070821151432AA4AKBn
And here are the only 3 that I could find that actually recieved a lifetime suspension and wan't reinstated.
Life - Art Schlichter, Indianapolis, gambling, suspended for one year on June 1983. Was released following the 1985 season; pleaded guilty to an illegal gambling charge April 1, 1987. NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle did not reinstate after Schlichter applied for permission to re-sign.
Life - Stanley Wilson, Cincinnati, substance abuse, suspended Jan. 22, 1989; permanently banned May 15, 1989.
Life - Earl Ferrell, Phoenix, 1990, substance abuse, voluntarily retired.
Old Sweater
08-31-2007, 05:20 AM
I think these chew toys are great!
Packer Backer
08-31-2007, 09:16 AM
I'm willing to bet Michael CON-Vick will be back in 2-3 years. He'll end up getting sentenced to 12-18 months, but will end up doing 85% of that which will get him out early. He'll have time to donate money to the humane society and to do some community service hours. Since he's already played the Jesus card, he's one step closer to getting forgiveness and he's poising to make a comeback- although it will NOT be with Atlanta, since they are set to recoup about $20 Million from him. Man, has he screwed that franchise.
efin98
08-31-2007, 01:20 PM
Vick could be eligble for reinstatement as soon as he gets out of prison. NFL has reinstated many felons.
He is eligible tomorrow since it isn't a set suspension, only an "indefinate"...The past reinstatements of felons was before the commisioner put his foot down regarding brushes with the law. Considering he suspended PacMan Jones for a year for just being arrested multiple tumes Vick likely won't get back until well after he gets out of prison.
Old Sweater
09-01-2007, 06:09 PM
He is eligible tomorrow since it isn't a set suspension, only an "indefinite"...The past reinstatement's of felons was before the commissioner put his foot down regarding brushes with the law. Considering he suspended PacMan Jones for a year for just being arrested multiple times Vick likely won't get back until well after he gets out of prison.
Do you think Goodell is going to put his foot down harder for Vick after his 1st offense and arrest then Jones?
Vick brings the NFL a lot more money then Jones and money has a way of turning a blind eye to the matter at hand.
He is eligible tomorrow since it isn't a set suspension, only an "indefinite"..
Just in the interpretation of words, not in reality.
redlegsfan21
09-01-2007, 06:34 PM
Do you think Goodell is going to put his foot down harder for Vick after his 1st offense and arrest then Jones?
Vick brings the NFL a lot more money then Jones and money has a way of turning a blind eye to the matter at hand.
Just in the interpretation of words, not in reality.
Well, I don't think Jones faced federal charges and jailtime up to a year. I definitly think that Vick will be suspended for a long time.
efin98
09-01-2007, 07:31 PM
Do you think Goodell is going to put his foot down harder for Vick after his 1st offense and arrest then Jones?
Vick brings the NFL a lot more money then Jones and money has a way of turning a blind eye to the matter at hand.
Just in the interpretation of words, not in reality.
What is going on with Vick is worse than what is going on with Jones so unless he wants his policies to become a paper tiger he has to come down hard on Vick and keep his suspension well beyond his jail sentance.
Old Sweater
09-01-2007, 08:44 PM
Well, I don't think Jones faced federal charges and jail time up to a year. I definitely think that Vick will be suspended for a long time.
I don't know what Goodell is going to do but after reading this I wouldn't give Vick any longer suspension then Jones if I was the commissioner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacman_Jones
Old Sweater
09-01-2007, 08:53 PM
What is going on with Vick is worse than what is going on with Jones so unless he wants his policies to become a paper tiger he has to come down hard on Vick and keep his suspension well beyond his jail sentance.
Not IMO, just read about Jones and I think he is the worse of the two. Five arrests and questioned by police 11 times. Everything from drugs to assult.
Still say Vick will get a 1 year suspension. We'll just have to wait and see.